1 On Feb 12, 10:30 am, Patrick McGee wrote:

Come on Tryan, between you and Freel, you’re starting to embarrass me.

“I don’t know if this in the anti-Recall site or not.”

3 On Feb 12, 11:53 am, THartill wrote:

Patrick
Embarrassed How?

Cause we know that this is the “Official” no recall site…or because we know it isn’t….or just the fact that I’m linking to it?

Please fill me in so I don’t “embarrass” you next time….

5 On Feb 12, 01:25 pm, THartill wrote:

What vagueness? I saw the site when someone posted a link to it on DSM, but didn’t stay long cause it had all the same D.A. info we’ve all read 100 times. Then I saw the post on Tom Freel and read the recall part. Now I am getting google hits for it. Should Tom and I not mention it? Would that make you feel better? I posted every CCFOG press release, mentioned them numerous times with link…I even have them on my blogroll…Now I mention a “stop recall page” with a link and for some reason that bothers you.

7 On Feb 12, 01:59 pm, Smith wrote:

Patrick, do you heat your house with Natural Gas?

9 On Feb 12, 04:21 pm, Smith wrote:

12/8/2006 11:36:00 AM
LNG pipeline may link with NW Natural
Gas company says LNG project – if approved – would dovetail with efforts to serve area’s customers

By CASSANDRA PROFITA
The Daily Astorian

Your turn. So are you going to remove the gas line from your house now or are you going to continue being a hypocrite like all the other people who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk?

11 On Feb 12, 04:46 pm, Anotherastorian wrote:

Patrick, you seem to be the one that doesn’t understand. The gas from Bradwood will be going into NW Natural’s pipeline, which will be serving both Washington and Oregon. The Wauna Mill will take gas from the pipeline, the Beaver Power Plant, and other industrial users. Now, maybe their SPECIFIC gas isn’t going to travel directly to your house, but if you use NW Natural for your gas currently, their supply being increased certainly WILL benefit you and others in this community.

13 On Feb 12, 05:06 pm, R. U. Really wrote:

On Feb 12, 04:46 pm, Anotherastorian wrote:
“Patrick, you seem to be the one that doesn’t understand.

Well, maybe that trusty old tinfoil-anti-brain-wave-modulator-conspiracy-detecting-toupee he keeps on his noggin 24/7 filters out all the evil non-essential static. What the rest of humanity regards as basic cognitive process sort of gets waylaid when it comes to penetrating very far into McGee.

15 On Feb 12, 06:29 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:

Either with you or against you right? Lines are drawn….

Nothing to do with me, for or against, we all know which side of the line we stand.

17 On Feb 12, 07:15 pm, Jon Dana wrote:

First the cry is,” there is not really a demand for natural gas” and now they will be “profiteering”, dizzy yet.

19 On Feb 12, 09:17 pm, AnotherAstorian wrote:

“Well, well, well, someone who has gone past the P.R. Hype and has actually put a little effort into what might come at the end of all that profiteering.

Very good! Good start!”

English please? I beg your pardon but I’ve never been under the “PR HYPE” as you so fondly call it…from the beginning I’ve been into facts. From the start.

The people against this project are the ones spinning it the most.

21 On Feb 12, 10:05 pm, AnotherAstorian wrote:

Patrick – There has been a rash of erroneous information about the lack of demand for natural gas, primarily coming from the anti-LNG people. THEY are saying that the Rocky Mountain line will be coming on soon – and yes it is, but it’s going EAST. Our supplies of natural gas here will be greatly diminished by that time and we’ll be paying terrible prices for it. I don’t call seeing a demand for something “profiteering”...I see it as “seeing a demand and acting”.

Personally, I’ll probably be gone by then so why should I care? I care, because I have relations here…and care about Astoria – I’ve lived here all my life. When Bradwood gets built, it means a more stable gas supply and tax dollars to our County that will help ALOT of agencies and schools (and yes, Patrick, the Knappa School District more than anyone else but that’s the way it is!)...

I would love to be able to look down here 20 years from now (or look UP, depending on how I guess I’ve lived my life) ...I can envision two scenarios…

#1 The year is 2012 – Bradwood is built and goes online. Thanks to the steady gas supply, our power rates stay at a reasonable rate, which allows paper products to remain at a reasonable level (since Wauna will be able to keep costs down – and we all need toilet paper!)...Unemployment in the Astoria area is less than the state average because of the jobs the plant created, along with the trickle-down effect…the jobs that will be needed locally to help support the plant during it’s operation. (Seems it’s something like 18 million per year in operating costs – yes, I called and asked!)

Over the last 4 years, the College offered classes to train the plant workers. The company has said from the start that they’re dedicated to hiring locally. They used Oregon/Washington labor to build it, amounting to 2 million man-hours and now, they’ve trained and hired 90% of their workforce locally. Yeah, it might be only 60-65 jobs, but they pay quite well. Better than Wauna did in their better days.

Scenario #2) The opponents win – and they succeed in keeping all LNG plants out of the Pacific Northwest – I’m sure much celebrating ensues. But then, 10 years down the line our economy, which has been going down and down and down over the years as it is, bottoms out. Why will cruise ships want to come here anymore? Isn’t tourism our thing? No, not when people cannot afford to live here and maybe occupy the shops downtown – which are supposed to attract the tourists?

Oh…not to mention, within about 5-10 years, power bills will be higher than you can imagine. Oh yes, they’ll still be creating electricity with hydro (and our salmon will be completely gone), or with coal…don’t even have an arguement.

Patrick…I will close with this – I lived here when the entire waterfront was full of canneries – and when you went up the river, every few miles you saw logging activity. And yes, I remember the mill at Bradwood very well, and still communicate with many who grew up there. They all would just love to see a new industry there! Oh, and by the way, the city and riverfront was really, really UGLY back then…but it was our town, and we loved it, and still do.

This entire river USED to be a river of commerce…of industry. It is what made the Pacific Northwest. It has dwindled down so far over the last 50 years to where we maybe see 3-5 ships a day now? In my younger days it was dozens.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the LNG industry – over the last few years of discussion I think many of the “explosive” fears have been alleviated. The newer ships, which Bradwood will be using, are quite fetching and should attract the “ship watchers”...Oh! Which the Cannery Pier Hotel will benefit from!