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November 2007 Election Results...31 Votes..Holy Smokes!!
by Tryan Hartill
3rd Batch of Results (Unofficial)
Measure 49
Measure 49 Passed by a wide margin…strangely enough….by about the same margin that Measure 37 passed by.
No 39%
Yes 61%
Measure 50
To my surprise Measure 50 went down in a big way. This has huge implications for the rest of the country….”if this can’t pass in Oregon….then….”
Yes 41%
No 59%
Measure 4-123
Still to close to call, but would take a miracle to turn this one to the other column with only about 50 375 ballots left to count.
Yes 6,418
No 6,449
97 comments on this article (post your own)
2 On Nov 7, 09:41 am, Patrick McGee wrote:
Gloat?
Ain’t much room for gloating on 4-123.
Pretty serious message sent on that vote.
3 On Nov 7, 10:30 am, Pierce wrote:
“Pretty serious message sent on that vote.” Yes I would say so, mainly to the Daily Astorian.
4 On Nov 7, 11:06 am, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:
I’m just waiting for the dirty trick rebound. You know it coming, don’t you?
5 On Nov 7, 11:11 am, Lee wrote:
So just those great big old glossy cards persuaded the people of the County? I wonder if it was the effectiveness of Charterintegrity or compromised software. You know, the kind you can’t get into. Is it open source or was it programed to flip to approx. 49-51% or in clatsop counties case, it is always 31 votes.
If, just if there was an investigation into the integrity of the software (if it isn’t open source)
and impropriety was found, who would be the prosecutor. The best in the state would have to recuse himself?
6 On Nov 7, 11:58 am, Patrick McGee wrote:
How well do you trust your County Elections Department?
Pretty much the crux of Lee’s query.
Who’s the IT Tech for that software?
Would you be surprised if Clatsop County Elections were uncovered in some impropriety?
Vote Counting software integrity is a very contoversial issue and has been since it has been in use.
There are no failsafes and likely somebody in that department will be responsible for it’s maintenace and access to its guts, therefore, the potential to tamper with it to one advantage or another you think?
Once again, it boils down to trust.
7 On Nov 7, 12:23 pm, Carrie Bartoldus wrote:
Lee, for whatever reason you have big problems with Richard Lee, I forget your history here in Clatsop County, however you are not looking at this objectively. “Big old glossy”? Please. After three months of being refused all press releases in the Daily Astorian and all but one editorial and, MAYBE, four lines in response in two articles we had to have some way to get the voters’ attention. Maybe YOU know a way to get people’s attention when the editors of the local daily have blatantly printed lies about your side of an issue but I sure don’t.
Our flyer cost just under $3,600. This included buying the mailing list, printing and postage for 10,000 two-colored large postcard size flyers. Our flyer said that should 4-123 pass our DA COULD be the highest salaried DA in the state. Our emphasis was on COULD and SALARIED. Our point was that our county would be the only county in the state to give up its right of choice and changing the stipend into a salary.
The CRIODA people finally reported that they spent $2600 at Sunset presort. They SAID on KAST that they sent out “about” 6000 of there “homemade” two-paged newsletters. The Daily Astorian, while ripping apart our flyer never confronted any of the “misstatements” in their newsletter nor questioned their funding when, at the time the newsletter went out they only had $940 in their account. The newsletter cost 21 cents to mail. For $2600 they mailed 12,381 newsletters. Funny thing about that is the CRIODA’s don’t mention anywhere printing costs for 24,000 double sided pages, nor acquiring the mailing list from any source (which also costs money).
When I looked at costs associated with doing it ourselves with “homemade” newsletters or a flyer containing four lines of information the flyer was our only monetarily feasible option. Printing costs for 24,000 double sided pages was a minimum of $2,400. The CRIODA’s either spent $5000 on their newsletter or the “some” large printing/publishing firm provided them free services.
Even with biased thinking on this matter, Lee, you have to wonder at the reporting of the Daily Astorian, the refusal of the Daily Astorian to take our advertising on the basis of 1) We didn’t have documentation to prove our points and when we did have it 2) Patrick Webb said the Daily Astorian doesn’t print opinion advertisements. The Daily Astorian knew of our presence since September 10th. When was the first time we were mentioned in the Daily Astorian? The CRIODA’s were given free publicity since July and still had to resort to mudslinging and dirty politics to come close to winning. The Daily Astorian more than likely printed their newsletter, they had 4/1 sign ratio to ours, and spent about 1500 to our 100 in advertising. And still look at the results.
What persuaded the people of the county, Lee, was that the ballot measure was ludicrous and either they saw that on their own or we were able to get that message out there via the radio. You don’t put a state employee’s salary in a county’s charter. The only reason this came to the attention of the public is because Mr. Marquis is the head of the Media Committee of the National District Attorney’s Association and used his connections to make it into a melodrama. If it were any other department head failing to do his budget in the same format as the rest of the county departments it would have been left to the commissioners to sort out, as part of their elected duty.
More interesting, to me, is if it passed would the DA have had the integrity to challenge it, per his duty to defend the Clatsop County Charter, the State Laws and the State Constitution? It was/is an illegal Ballot Measure. The Daily Astorian did an injustice and disservice to the people of Clatsop County by refusing to report how it came into being, the county clerk’s responsibilities, the State Election Division’s response the Judge’s decision, the Judge’s modification of the judgment, and yet the people still knew they weren’t getting the whole truth. Good for them.
8 On Nov 7, 12:31 pm, Lee wrote:
The manufacturer of most of these machines refuse to let anyone else have “the key”. Anyone know what kind of machines are used in Clatsop County?
Bradblog.com is a good source on election fraud
It’s funny how human nature is. If the election went my way I wouldn’t be in any hurry to question integrity. 4-123 went guys way so he warns of those who might claim “dirty tricks”
Anyone know how much measure 50 spent? Tobacco spent 12 million in OUR state to defeat it. Being from the Carolinas, I bet Paddy knows to not even try to go against their interests. Resign to the fact tobacco wins, resign to the fact lng wins, resign to the fact that elections can be rigged. Quite depressing, I think I’ll go drown myself with a waterboard.
9 On Nov 7, 12:50 pm, THartill wrote:
Still 375 ballots to count, lets not get ahead of ourselves…
10 On Nov 7, 01:00 pm, Lee wrote:
Carrie, I have never met Mr Lee or Mr. Marquis. I have read the documents and also the transcripts of the county commission meetings regarding the stipend and I was flaberghasted.(sp) Shameful.
I know you are mired in statistics and questions regarding Mr. Marquis, but I also recollect that you and Mr. Lee have had unfavorable relationships on a legal level so it is easy for me to view Mr. Marquis’ treatment as a vendetta by a few of the players.
In the past hasn’t the Astorian treated you and Mr. Lee quite well?
I don’t think I’m very biased Carrie. Are you? Are you a friend and neighbor of Richard Lee?
I admire you Carrie, and I can’t understand how you could tolerate such an inept county commission. Maybe distance gives me a better perspective. I’m not friends with the commissioners.
11 On Nov 7, 01:25 pm, Pierce wrote:
Whats the word on where these 375 ballots are from?
12 On Nov 7, 02:15 pm, Carrie Bartoldus wrote:
I, too, read the transcript and I was flabbergasted at how much Mr. Marquis left out of his budget report and how much had to be prised out of him in questioning.
I am “mired” in statistics? Looking at facts is being “mired” in statistics?
In any legal level relationship I have had with Mr. Marquis I have come out on top. I wouldn’t call that a reason for a vendetta. I believe the same is true with Mr. Lee. I would think that would make the “vendetta” go the other way.
I am not a neighbor of Mr. Lee’s and the first time I ever sat down with him was when I asked to meet with him and ask him about the budgeting process.
The Astorian, one time, wrote a sloppy article about our learning center. They misquoted people, attributed quotes to wrong people and put names to wrong people in the pictures. That is the one and only time that the Astorian could even conceivably be thought to “treat me well”. I don’t know about Mr. Lee. And it still wouldn’t make up for four months of lies, misrepresentation, misstatements and deliberately refusing to acknowledge our presence the first month of our formation and our advertising on this issue.
Distance gives you a better perspective? Exactly and precisely on what? What laws govern the Commissioners that you believe they could have and should have used to have voted differently on what specific issues?
You say you are not friends with the commissioners. Flat out, not friends. I would think that makes you biased. I did not go into this thinking I was friends or not friends with anyone. I went into this thinking that, FINALLY, accountability in government! Performance Based Budgeting with key performance measures showing step by step progress which any lay person can read and understand where their tax dollars are going. I would think that would make ANY tax payer happy.
The more involved I became the more impressed I became with the commissioners who continually refused to make this a personality battle with the district attorney and continued to remain firm in their resolve that the department head would he held accountable for his department’s accounting. They don’t lie. They voted to remove his stipend when Jeff Hazen pointed out he was a state employee not doing any local services. When he refused to do the performance based budgeting (come off it, look at his budget and look at the road department’s budget next to his on the Accountable Prosecutor’s page) he proved that he wasn’t providing local services. He cut his own throat.
If he is providing local services he should kick his own butt for not showing it in his budget. He was given the format to do so.
First I was backing a fantastic concept, performance based budgeting. Now, I back a great group of people who happen to sit on the Board of County Commissioners for Clatsop County.
13 On Nov 7, 02:36 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
“How I singlehandedly defeated “The D.A.”
That going to be the title of your new book Bartoldus?
Babi”!! you almost wrote the whole thing the last two posts.
Where do you get 375 votes left Tryan?
I thought it was only 50 or so.
Now, 375 ought to make it exciting.
14 On Nov 7, 02:47 pm, Guest wrote:
4th Results are up.
MEASURE 4-123 SUPPLEMENTARY COMPENSATION FOR D.A.
Yes . . . . . . . . . . 6,573
No. . . . . . . . . . . 6,619
Total . . . . . . . . . 13,192
Wow, 46 votes. Lost a little ground.
15 On Nov 7, 03:20 pm, Hmmmmmm!!! wrote:
Could it be these are the ones that will make sure Measure 4-123 fails?
Hmmmmmmm!!!!?
How convenient!
I can see why Ms. Bartoldus is so giddy.
Hmmmmmmm!!!?
From: The Daily “A”
County finds 325 more ballots
Clatsop County is in the process of counting approximately 325 ballots from Tuesday’s election. As part of a routine ballot reconciliation process, Clatsop County Clerk’s Office determined the ballots remain to be counted a county press release stated. The ballots began being counted at noon today in the Judge Guy Boyington Building. A fourth preliminary report will be issued by 5 p.m. today.
“We were reconciling the numbers from our voter registration system against those of our vote tallying system and found that we were off, so we immediately researching to find why we had a difference in numbers,” County Clerk Nicole Williams said.
The ballots were in secure storage in the Clerk’s Office and are from multiple precincts.
John Lindback, elections division director for the Oregon Secretary of State’s Office, said Clatsop County elections workers did everything right. “This is exactly why we have the reconciliation process. The system worked as it should,” he said.
16 On Nov 7, 03:29 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
They, those 325 votes, just happened to be found in a “Locker”?
And County Clerk, Williams happened to notice a discrepency last night?
And one would be criticized for being a bit suspicious about County Elections?
This is indeed going to get more entertaining, it appears.
17 On Nov 7, 03:32 pm, Carrie Bartoldus wrote:
I am not a Babi. Please, Patrick, you know the difference and I would appreciate it if you desisted. You haven’t brought in anyone else’s religion. Now, be a gentleman and lay off.
I did not set out to defeat the District Attorney, it is ridiculous to construe it as such. I am civic minded, defended the Charter and like a fiscally accountable government. I am pleased that there is a system in place that holds department heads accountable and enables them to recognize where the money that the tax payers have entrusted to them goes to, what steps they can take to save money, what can be done to stretch dollars, what alternative resources are available for co-funding, what programs are sustainable and maintainable and what programs and services should be terminated. It is a powerful tool for a progressive community.
18 On Nov 7, 03:55 pm, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:
Citizen Carrie did exactly what citizens are encouraged to do in this country. This is government by the people and for the people. She saw an injustice and she took action to protect the integrity of the charter. Are you trying to discourage people from taking a stand in how the government works?
Her statement above is a statement she has been making since day 1, unfortunately some people don’t seem to get it and she needs to restate the mission.
Maybe it’s time to accept that the voters made their choice adopted her vision. It’s over. Leave her alone. She is not a sore winner, and stop trying to turn her in to one. Move on.
19 On Nov 7, 04:06 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
But, it appears it isn’t over “Guy”.
Suddenly 325 votes just popped up out of a locker of all things.
Now, the curiosity will be which way they lean.
And yes Guy, everybody has a path and truth that they choose to follow and of course I should respect that and really, I do and I am certain Carrie knows I have the utmost respect for her courage to do so, bottom line.
20 On Nov 7, 04:35 pm, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:
They’ve been counted. It went up from 31 to 46 for charter integrity. Now all that is left are the 50 ballots that are in other parts of the state that have five days to arrive here. It’s doubtful that there are 49 for the yes side to turn the tide and it’s doubtful the No side will fall to 22 where a recount would be mandatory.
21 On Nov 7, 04:56 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
You’re right.
22 On Nov 7, 05:04 pm, F. Lee wrote:
Congratulations to Carrie on this. She was diligent, determined and thorough in her stand. No doubt she influenced many who were either uninformed or uninterested in this issue. She delievered sober, factual and intelligent analysis of the situation which probably won the day. Make no mistake, the right side won this one.
She was magnificient in her effort. She could be playing in a much larger political arena if she chose to.
23 On Nov 7, 06:55 pm, Pup Of The Prarie People wrote:
On Nov 7, 11:58 am, Patrick McGee wrote:
How well do you trust your County Elections Department?—————————————————————————————-
Trust’em a lot more than Marquis & his little cadre of California synchophants, spin shysters and double talking weasles.
24 On Nov 7, 07:05 pm, Jon Dana/ 007 wrote:
I would like to thank Carrie for taking the time out of her life to push this issue. An uphill battle to say the least. It was David against Goliath. Good job. Lets hope it’s over
25 On Nov 7, 08:10 pm, Pierce wrote:
Amen
26 On Nov 7, 08:19 pm, pup wrote:
Indeed, much thanks to Ms. Bartoldus for stepping up to the line. She gave of herself and her hard work and sacrifice wont go unnoticed or forgotten.
Her stock is “up”.
27 On Nov 7, 09:10 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
Ms. Bartoldus’ colleague Little Richard Lee didn’t handle it so well it seems as The Daily “A” relates…..”But the wait was long, and Lee couldn’t hold his tongue. In a vitriol- and invective-laced rant, he accused this newspaper of undermining his authority and had twice to be restrained by Moore. Moore then took her cracks at the newspaper, saying it had damaged the nursery business Lee had built for her. She complained that North Coast teachers had employed an edition of the newspaper that disparaged her family in classes her children were attending.”
“Undermining his authority”..he said?
What, exactly, does “Employed an edition of the newspaper” mean?
28 On Nov 7, 09:13 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
Ms. Bartoldus’ colleague Little Richard Lee didn’t handle it so well it seems as The Daily “A” relates…..“But the wait was long, and Lee couldn’t hold his tongue. In a vitriol- and invective-laced rant, he accused this newspaper of undermining his authority and had twice to be restrained by Moore. Moore then took her cracks at the newspaper, saying it had damaged the nursery business Lee had built for her. She complained that North Coast teachers had employed an edition of the newspaper that disparaged her family in classes her children were attending.”
“Undermining his authority”..he said?
What, exactly, does “Employed an edition of the newspaper” mean?
29 On Nov 7, 10:23 pm, anon wrote:
they used or “employed” the newspaper to make paper and wheatpaste face masks for holloween project.
30 On Nov 7, 11:41 pm, flyfan wrote:
BWAHAHAHAHA! Using the Daily Marquis as a source of information. Was that report made before or after Gamm crapped his pants?
31 On Nov 8, 12:21 am, Juan Marqueez wrote:
When it comes to local politics, especially during this Marquis business, the only thing The Daily Astorian is good for is screwing the pooch. Not only was Marquis willing and able to become a laughing stock, Steve Forrester is too. Both of them are going to be recieving a vigorous pummeling at the hands of the local bloggers. Oh well, it’s not like they didnt ask for it.
32 On Nov 8, 01:16 am, Dead Pete Peldo wrote:
McGoo has a “sore loser complex”—even though he wasnt even in this one, his overwhelming compulsion to be a “sore loser” kicks in and he graciously picks up bears Marquis’ Cross as well as providing all the accompanying moans and groans along the way.
Atta boy, Patrick, grasp at any shred-even if it’s from the daily A. Go to any length to make a jackass outta yourself, son.
33 On Nov 8, 07:23 am, Patrick McGee wrote:
Sore loser?
We’ve all gained from this a better realization of many things that will guide us, the citizens of Clatsop County, into the future, much wiser and better informed on the leadership that impacts all our lives.
34 On Nov 8, 10:20 am, lee wrote:
That’s funny Paddy. Good one.
35 On Nov 8, 10:58 am, Patrick McGee wrote:
Thank you Lee.
36 On Nov 8, 12:35 pm, Jose Marquez wrote:
What substances does McGoo consume to create such obvious polar opposites in his attitudes and expressions? In the evenings he is one way and in the mornings he goes the opposite. I’m betting everyone sees it but him.
37 On Nov 8, 01:44 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
A good night’s sleep
38 On Nov 8, 01:49 pm, Stop drinking so much Kool-aid Patrick wrote:
I think Patrick is developing social skills to go along with his keen wit. That may be what you see. He works hard all day and in the evening he may get grumpy just like anyone else. He just does it on the blog and says what he thinks. Many of us consume things that change us. An evening cocktail, a doobie, a couple beers, or a nice cup of chamomile tea. Even tobacco can change ones perspective. Are you a clean machine? Or are you the town tattle-tale?
Tell Patrick when he gets offensive. He deserves it. Especially because he’s supporting the commander guy & co. He drank the Kool-aid.
39 On Nov 8, 11:22 pm, roadsend wrote:
I am afraid that although one chapter may be closing in this soap opera of local government, many more remain.
I just wish that the kids would quit arguing over their marbles and get back to class now that the recess bell has rung.
Right or wrong, the Almost Daily Astorian has really managed to leave a bad taste in my mouth on this whole sorry assed episode. Were it not for Ms. Bartolda, many of us peasants would have only heard one side of this issue. Kudos to her.
Where has the Cnty Mgr. been during all this time?
Now is the time that I would like to see a bit of leadership and clarity from the folks earning the big bucks. I don’t want to be hearing more of this crap for the foreseeable future.
40 On Nov 9, 02:21 am, It's only just begun wrote:
“I don’t want to be hearing more of this crap for the foreseeable future.”
“Right or wrong, the Almost Daily Astorian has really managed to leave a bad taste in my mouth on this whole sorry assed episode.”———————-
You’re not suppossed to eat it genius.
Well roadkill
I’ve read these kind of demands somewhere before. I think it was here.
Forgive me, but I don’t enjoy reading so many mixed metaphores.
The previous prosecutor really knew how to keep to herself. More your style?
41 On Nov 9, 05:07 am, Grooming Pawns wrote:
were you around “guy” when Dr Bob ran a new, sucessful young Family Practice Physician out of town? Dr bob and friends decided they couldn’t compete because the newer “more relevant to the times” physician was rapidly taking business away from the Good ol’ boys They harrassed him until he couldn’t tend to the satisfied but unwitting patients of Astoria. They had to go back to dr. bob and associates.(but not for long)
Dr “new guy in town” made sure dr. bob would never legally practice medicine again by way of a lawsuit. Dr Bob claimed Astoria as “His Town”. I can remember hearing “this is my town”. Unchristian isn’t it?
I was reading the rust blog under “who has to go”. With “F Lee” and Jeff in your network and you guys are deciding this is your town. I noticed this project appeared on the blogs in Jan of ‘07. You were getting your pawns lined up to hit in May and I would guess it is because Josh is “rocking your boat” or your handlers “boat”.
Readers are screaming “overload” because of the tangled web of deceit that so many have fallen for or been confused by.
I can’t understand Josh’s issue with the innocence project, but you didn’t mention it much in your destablization plans. I happen to have a childhood friend that heads up a project at a law school back east. (I believe in the innocence project but I’m digressing)
This blogging with comments by anonymous people can be utilized as a new form of the slander and whisper campaigns.
The few who determine which way the community is governed are not the people and their “elected” representatives. These people meet in private places, plot and promote scapegoats like the Daily Astorian.
Congratulations Mr. guy. You helped orchestrate another doozie while most of the left couldn’t see what the right was doing. Your pawns think they are doing a good thing. Lies are so easy to believe if they are presented the right way. You are a master, but I’d like to know who your master is and if there is anything you wouldn’t do to please him? BTW good investigations take a long time.
42 On Nov 9, 06:19 am, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:
If you read the archives of the blog you will find that my second or third article featured my dislike for Josh. Then I think it was August of 06 when I next visited the topic.
I have no one whispering in my ear. I don’t like people enough to allow anyone to get close. It was just my reaction the the grand standing.
I often state that I am just a “dopey blogger” like the millions of other bloggers out there who dare to share an opinion. I don’t force you to read it or believe it. It’s just something I put out there.
I have met some of the people who read my blog. I have met F Lee and Jeff and Carrie Bartoldus, and I’ve met Scott Ruiter and Sam Patrick and Myrna Patrick.
I don’t have a black helicopter, and my blog isn’t an organized underground conspiracy. It is just a collection of stories and opinions from a dopey blogger.
43 On Nov 9, 08:30 am, Patrick McGee wrote:
You’re up at 5:00am pondering this crap “Guy”?
You got a problem my man!
44 On Nov 9, 09:28 am, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:
My problem is livestock that requires early attention. They have alarm clocks hard wired into their brains, standard time be damned. If I’m late I hear about it. It would be a luxury if I were able to sleep until 6. I only get to do that when I’m away on a speaking or teaching engagement.
45 On Nov 9, 09:33 am, "Glenn Action" Guy? wrote:
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« Reply #8 on Jan 27, 2007, 5:23am »
————————————————————————————————————————Good question on hiring vs electing. I don’t have a clue to that. Nor do I understand why the sheriff is elected, or especially why the County Clerk is elected. Is it the intent to make these positions more visible every four years? Seems to me it is wasting their time to have to do this to keep their jobs. They should be working rather than fund raising and getting people out to vote. So we have a county clerk who is elected and a county manager who is hired??? Am I missing a point or something here?
Hey anyone checking out the Glenn action over at Tryan’s blog?
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on jan 27 someone mentioned a few names for elected office. I guess “guy” thought it was noteworthy.
46 On Nov 9, 09:55 am, Who needs to go-Willis Glenn? wrote:
Why do you hate Gamm so much dopey blogger?—-=—-
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« Reply #2 on Jan 21, 2007, 6:25am »
————————————————————————————————————————Well, yeah, duh, but there are others like the port commission, then there is a whole bunch of stuff going on in Warrenton. Some don’t like Willis… There is a lot of discontent here these days.
I was just trying to open up a discussion here. Trying to clear out the crickets. —————-
People should know that even if you say you are scared to death of gas explosions, you still gave the keys to the kingdom away to LNG. We know. Quit you mother effin lying dopey blogger.
48 On Nov 9, 10:32 am, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:
I don’t hate Joe Gamm. I think he is a shitty reporter and a Steve Forrester puppet just like Sandra Swain. The funny thing is that I saw Joe at the election office on Tuesday night, and I thought he was a parking attendant because he was all frumpy and wearing a jacket that looked like a safety vest. Now when I read his writing I really think, “Consider the source.”
As for my LNG article, perhaps reading comprehension is your problem. Either that you you just enjoy confrontation. Any reasonable person would come away with the intent of the article, but obviously you can’t connect the dots.
I understand that you checked when someone told you that the word “Gullible” had been removed from the dictionary.
49 On Nov 9, 10:46 am, Patrick McGee wrote:
“”“”“”“My problem is livestock that requires early attention. They have alarm clocks hard wired into their brains, standard time be damned. If I’m late I hear about it. It would be a luxury if I were able to sleep until 6. I only get to do that when I’m away on a speaking or teaching engagement.”“”“”“”“
I know that lifestyle very well and that will sure as hell do it.
Sorry “Guy”
50 On Nov 9, 11:01 am, Who needs to go wrote:
Sandra Swain investigated you didn’t she? She revealed that you are a liar.
51 On Nov 9, 11:18 am, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:
No offense taken, Pat. As you know it’s easier to feed them on time than it is to spend two hours repairing the fence.
And Who, no, Swain has never come after me. There’s nothing to find out about me that I don’t already openly admit on the blog. And you would think that you would have learned about calling people liars. Josh called one of his witnesses in the Sealey case a liar during the campaign, and now she can’t testify and make the case for him. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot.
52 On Nov 9, 01:28 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
Who needs to go?
Good question and there seems to be a storm brewing as I write this.
Who would you say needs to go?
53 On Nov 9, 05:53 pm, a model for guy's posse wrote:
ROME – Thou shalt be faithful to the Mafia.
Italian police said Thursday they have found a list of 10 commandments for mobsters in a house near Palermo, where a top Mafia boss was arrested this week.
Salvatore Lo Piccolo, who had been on the run since 1993, was vying to become the next “boss of bosses” of the Sicilian Mafia, according to Italian investigators. He was apprehended Monday by police raiding a house in the countryside outside Palermo, the Sicilian capital.
The list was found among his coded notes about the administration of Cosa Nostra that were delivered by Lo Piccolo’s aides.
Police in Palermo said that the list opened with a preamble that said: “I swear to be faithful to Cosa Nostra. Should I betray, my flesh will burn.” Under the category “Rights and Duty” were the 10 entries, meant to be a sort of users’ manual for the good mobster.
The list was typewritten in uppercase letters, police said.
Italian newspaper La Repubblica published a photo of what it said was the list, under the headline: “The Godfather’s Ten Commandments.”
The list bars mobsters from hanging out in bars, from befriending police and being late for appointments. It also bars them from “taking possession of money that belong to others or other families.”
How to treat women also features in the decalogue.
“You shall not look at wives of our friends,” says one entry. “You shall respect your wife,” says another. However, the Mafia comes first, as the fifth “commandment” orders a mobster to “be available for Cosa Nostra at any moment, even if your wife is about to give birth.”
The last part of the list sets out application rules, saying that those who have a very bad behavior and no moral values cannot join.
Investigators believe that the 65-year-old Lo Piccolo could have eventually emerged from a power struggle as the Mafia’s new top boss following the capture of Bernardo Provenzano, the reputed No. 1 of the Cosa Nostra crime syndicate. Provenzano was arrested on a farm near Corleone, Sicily, in April 2006, after more than 40 years on the run.
54 On Nov 9, 07:55 pm, Jon Dana wrote:
post 41
“people meet in private places”,ooohh “plot and promote scapegoats”, oh my “like The Daily Astorian” And all in the same sentence!! your a funny guy, we need more humor in these posts, keep up the good work55 On Nov 9, 08:41 pm, Sinister & Anonymous wrote:
41 On Nov 9, 05:07 am, Grooming Pawns wrote:
“This blogging with comments by anonymous people can be utilized as a new form of the slander and whisper campaigns.
The few who determine which way the community is governed are not the people and their “elected” representatives. These people meet in private places, plot and promote scapegoats like the Daily Astorian…”————————————————————————————————————————————————
Gosh! That sounds so cool!! I had no idea that anoymous net boarding was the key to getting power over the masses. From the shadows we manipulate the lives and destinies of those around us. We really are the puppet masters.
Now, please excuse me, I’m supposed to meet the Bilderbergs at the Country Club for the Tri-Lateral Commission meeting later on down at Bohemian Grove
56 On Nov 9, 09:50 pm, anonymous wrote:
all polictics are local
57 On Nov 9, 10:09 pm, Sinister & Anonymous wrote:
“Behind Every Great Fortune Is A Crime”
—Balzac
58 On Nov 9, 10:30 pm, Sinister & Anonymous wrote:
On Nov 7, 09:41 am, Patrick McGee wrote:
Pretty serious message sent on that vote
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You might think the swan songs of that California idiot, Sam Patrick, and that walking slime eel, Josh “Oil Can Henry” Marquis regarding their political futures in Clatsop County “a serious message”, but to the rest of us it’s lighthearted entertainment and high buffoonery of the finest kind.
59 On Nov 10, 09:26 am, Patrick McGee wrote:
Here’s “The Rub”.
Oregon and its’ “Liberal Ilk” take such pride in their “Blue State Progressiveness” and presumed “Intellectual Enlightenment” while just about every little “Berg”, “Hamlet” and “Small Town” is ruled, governed and “Life Quality” impacted by good old hard core Republicans no matter what national administration is in power.
And we waste so much time, to their advantage, by constant bikering focused on undermining somebody’s world view or party political philosophy.
60 On Nov 10, 11:57 am, Elbridge Trask wrote:
McGee, don’t even pretend to try to instruct or inform us on our beloved home state political issues and quirks. You should return to your’s if you want to wax philosophical. Nobody here gives a shit what you think.
61 On Nov 10, 12:05 pm, lee wrote:
I care what you think Paddy. As long as you keep listening to randi rhodes. I have hope.
62 On Nov 10, 12:54 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
Trask, that’s it, hold your ground and really reinforce your point that you don’t give a shit by not responding.
Yes, it is our beloved state, no matter what our philosophies but, truly, “Politics is local” and if you do, indeed, live here that facts is about to be brought home to you loud and clear if we don’t wake up and pay attention.
63 On Nov 10, 01:40 pm, anon wrote:
liberal, classical liberal, neoliberal, conservative liberal, liberal conservative, progressive liberal,bleeding heart liberal (that’s me)
when a progessive liberal speaks truth to power they sometimes end up bleeding.
64 On Nov 15, 01:22 pm, SeaWolf wrote:
McGee Im just putting this here where I know you’ll see it in case the unreliable daily astorian doesnt post my reply to your hilarious accusation. Your post on the Marquis letter of support is right under then a response to you follows.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007
Article comment by: Patrick McGee
“Angry “Kaarlo’s email address below seems to indicate something a bit more about himself than he wants to get into the open as Lars Larsen regularly talks about his good friend, Clatsop County District Attorney Josh Marquis and here “Angry” Mr. Kaarlo seems to wish Larson dead?
Hmmmmmmm!
“deathlarsen1@yahoo.com”
I wonder if one would get a reply from this email address which brings up a question about the integrity if this paper…Do they verify these email addresses?
Can any lunatic just show up and post here without scrutiny?
Hmmmmmm!
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Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2007
Article comment by: Kaarlo
Well Mr. McGee, your literary ignorance as well as your paranoia is showing again. Two facts you conviently overlooked in order to try to look like someone who knows what he is talking about.
1. Your talk show hero’s name contains an “o”.
http://www.larslarson.com
My email address surname contains an “e”.
deathlarsen1@yahoo.com
Why? Because one is the Swedish/Norwegian version and I use the Danish version.
2. It’s safe to assume you’ve never read any Jack London.
Check out the great sea story “SEAWOLF” and see what familiar name you see in there. Or, if you know how to google, enter Death Larsen to see your little hoped for scenario come crashing down.
There’s a whole world of literature out there that has nothing to do with Marquis, talk radio, or you, Mr. McGee.
Case dismissed, Mr. McGee.
Oh blah di, o blah dah
65 On Nov 15, 03:27 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
“Posted: Wednesday, November 15, 2007
Article comment by: Kaarlo
Well Mr. McGee, your literary ignorance as well as your paranoia is showing again. Two facts you conviently overlooked in order to try to look like someone who knows what he is talking about.
1. Your talk show hero’s name contains an “o”.
http://www.larslarson.com
My email address surname contains an “e”.
deathlarsen1@yahoo.com
Why? Because one is the Swedish/Norwegian version and I use the Danish version.
2. It’s safe to assume you’ve never read any Jack London.
Check out the great sea story “SEAWOLF” and see what familiar name you see in there. Or, if you know how to google, enter Death Larsen to see your little hoped for scenario come crashing down.
There’s a whole world of literature out there that has nothing to do with Marquis, talk radio, or you, Mr. McGee.
Case dismissed, Mr. McGee.
Oh blah di, o blah dah”
So, your name is actually “Kaarlo Deathlarsen”?
Wow!, such a coincidence, made for assumptive accusations and conjecture.
Nothing more, I’m afraid, than an observation “Mr./Ms. Deathlarsen”
Larson? A hero? I find him rather obnoxiously overbearing. You?
And you say there’s another world out there besides here, on the coast? I don’t think so. If there is you can keep it for yourself. I seem to remember there was a reason I chose to move here, I seem to forget what it was but, I’m ecstatic I did no matter.
Yeah, you keep what’s left, my gift to you.
66 On Nov 15, 04:07 pm, SeaWolf wrote:
On Nov 15, 03:27 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
“So, your name is actually “Kaarlo Deathlarsen”?”
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My name isnt any of your business, McGee, nor is it an issue in this discussion. You went off on some halfbaked tangent that because of an email address you automatically assume, then accuse that I “wish Larson dead”?
I bet your really tripped out on the “Obama/Osama” coincidence.
Thanks again for all the entertainment, man. It’s big mouthed small brained screwballs and clowns like you making jackasses out or yourselves spouting off on local issues that make it all so much fun. You and that Luke dude really should get a stand up comedy act going.
You could call yourself the Knucklehead Brothers.
67 On Nov 15, 04:30 pm, ukesinwacotexasnowthankgod wrote:
Thank you for the compliment”I actually like Jack London A superb author and filled with excitment. Well I respect Mcgee”I am a loyal democrat and I do not listen to either Lars nor Rush”I read only Steve Forester online. And I am enjoying the days and here in Waco,God Bless Texas And the Dixie Chicks…
68 On Nov 15, 06:00 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
Post #66: I am so sorry. I would have never imagined anyone actually named Kaarlo Deathlarsen and seeing that linked with Josh Marquis who happens to be close, personal friends with Lars Lasron and with your obvious bitter issues with D.A. Marquis and then an email address…deathlarsen1@yahoo.com of all things.
I can see why you would, indeed, have such a short fuse and want to go ballistic with little provocation.
The punishment of the parent on children sometimes never goes unvindicated.
Please accept my apology and let’s just set this aside and start over, shall we?
OK, what was your point about Marquis again?
69 On Nov 15, 06:54 pm, SeaWolf wrote:
You’re babbling, McGee.
it’s what your ilk always resort to, sputtering and babbling, after being garbooned in public. It isnt about Lars Larson, Marquis, their friends or me. It’s about you and that raw egg slowly dripping off your face.
71 On Nov 16, 12:56 am, patsawhiner wrote:
Sniff, sniff, wonder, wonder and hmmmmmmm. Sure, you only spell your name one way Pat.
72 On Nov 16, 07:28 am, Hmmmmmmmmm!! wrote:
Another wacko exposed and hey! stop giving mcgee credit for everthing!
73 On Nov 16, 09:52 am, Hmmmmmmmm!! wrote:
Did you evaluate the content of mcgee’s apology SeaWolf?
74 On Nov 16, 10:54 am, Pathmmmological people are encabable of debating fair wrote:
wow, hmmmmm, that didn’t sound like Pat at all. he never, ever, asks people to “evaluate” his comments. mcgee thinks there’s only one person on the opposition. its only fair we think there’s only one (and a half) idiots opposing our side. credit! if you call that credit, go ahead and claim it.
75 On Nov 16, 11:28 am, Hmmmmmmmm!! wrote:
“wow, hmmmmm, that didn’t sound like Pat at all. he never, ever, asks people to “evaluate” his comments. mcgee thinks there’s only one person on the opposition. its only fair we think there’s only one (and a half) idiots opposing our side. credit! if you call that credit, go ahead and claim it.”
One idiot to another….what in the hell are you babbling about?
Wanta put that in non-fiction and coherent terms?
76 On Nov 16, 01:33 pm, Pure Prarie Pup League wrote:
Don’t forget the other anti-social nutburger-the foulmouthed ill tempered wannabe neo-con commentator that used to log in as “robin hillard”. Imagine he is still skulking around here under various guises and disguises.
77 On Nov 16, 01:58 pm, Hmmmmmmmm!! wrote:
And then, Prairie Pup adds a whole new dimension to the dialogue.
And to think NCO was once touted as an up and coming new venue for respectful debate on issues.
Now look at what we got.
Just more of the same.
78 On Nov 16, 02:37 pm, Hmmmsniffer, yep still smells like Pat wrote:
More of the same what? People calling you on your crap? Pat, at least use different verbiage. You always get pissy when people call you out, provide facts for whatever you oppose and use logic to debate you. Then you start your BS. “Look over there, what was that you said, can you be concise, you’re not coherent, present your evidence hear and now, you can’t spell, no one understands you, blah, blah, blah.”
Guess you’re just going to have to get up off your butt and actually, physically, GO TO SOMETHING AND DO SOMETHING and quit just bitching on forums. Quit bashing other people’s efforts, jackass, NCO is as good as the writers contributing. You slam so many people with your comments and you don’t even have the brains to know it.
79 On Nov 16, 04:14 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmm!
On top of being a smartassed nobody #78, you are a wiseassed sage that can see through the origins of rhetoric?
Geez!
80 On Nov 16, 04:41 pm, jose marquez wrote:
if this were a boxing ring, poor McGee would be staggering around, bouncing off the ropes on rubbery legs listening to the birdies sing tweet tweet tweet.
Just about everybody in the extended NCO community has landed a solid shot or two on his defenseless ass.
Just go down and stay down, McGoo.
81 On Nov 16, 08:56 pm, hewhotalkswithdirtywater wrote:
Who read the Daily Astorian this evening? About how certain people are chosen for county spots and others are nulled? Just curious with out starting a fuss or muss…...
82 On Nov 16, 09:15 pm, Pure Prarie Pup League wrote:
I read the article in tonight’s paper and it’s purely a case of Forrester sending one of his Flying Monkeys to rough up Richard Lee for his part in the Marquis affair. The Daily Astorian has lost what little credibility it ever had.
What we citizens of Clatson County want to see now is Forrester thrown into court and drained of his mommy’s and grandpa’s money
83 On Nov 16, 09:16 pm, Pure Prarie Pup League wrote:
I read the article in tonight’s paper and it’s purely a case of Forrester sending one of his Flying Monkeys to rough up Richard Lee for his part in the Marquis affair. The Daily Astorian has lost what little credibility it ever had.
What we citizens of Clatsop County want to see now is Forrester thrown into court and drained of his mommy’s and grandpa’s money
84 On Nov 16, 09:49 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
Devastating #80, devastating.
85 On Nov 16, 09:58 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:
Who read the Daily Astorian this evening? About how certain people are chosen for county spots and others are nulled? Just curious with out starting a fuss or muss…...
So, what else is new, Willis had been singlehandedly doing it for years.Just about every Astoria Committee, Commission, Citizen’s Committee etc. is to his discretion, direclty or indirectly.
No fuss, no muss here, this thing’s going to blow way the heck out of scale and in a hurry.
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