2 On Oct 2, 05:01 am, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:

That is like saying, “you have cancer but maybe you’ll go to heaven when you die.”

The good paying jobs will not go to people who live here. Those workers will come from Texas. Yes the college can provide training for the jobs that will be available and so can CRS. Will the employees really need a two year degree to mop the floor and sleep in the security car? Clatsop College will not have a degree program for the technical jobs that will be filled by people from Texas.

So you don’t consider the venting of 1 to 3% of the cargo to be polluting in any way. Would the building code people consider it OK if your house had a 1-3% sewer gas leak in your kitchen. How would you like it if you had 1-3% of the air in your home laced with radon?

Oh and dredging the river, that’s real good for the environment, too. Mitigation is another way of saying, “If you let me kill a couple of these people over here I promise not to kill the rest of the village.

Why are you so hell bent on the total change of this community. Is there something wrong with leaving some natural beauty? It’s all about money. Consider this, if people want to make money maybe they should go to a place that is already ruined by the money making process, and then they can come back here when they realize that money really isn’t what it’s all about. Beauty and tranquility is what it’s all about in the long run. Please stop selling out future. We are running out of places to live that are like this.

4 On Oct 2, 08:26 am, Astorianna wrote:

While I am sure that Mr. Nyberg and Mr. McDaniel mean well, and have the best of intentions, we all know what the road to hell is paved with.

Unfortunately, they are also terribly naive to think that any LNG company will honor its implied promises … the promises and monetary “gifts” to local agencies are merely the “foot in the door” of an aggressive salesman who cares for nothing but making the sale, or in this case, the siting.

And I agree with Guy that they would import their own help from Texas for the very few jobs that might be avaiable in the future. No one here would even begin to have the skills necessary to operate such a plant. I wouldn’t be surprised if even security and janitorial staff need special training and skills not available here.

But even if you glass over the imaginary jobs, the disruption to shipping on the river, the destruction of wildlife habitats (yes, they’d be destroyed,or “mitigation” wouldn’t be necessary), the problem with eminent domain and snatching peoples’ land to put in the pipelines, there’s just no way around the fact that those huge and repulsive tanks would be a flat-out EYESORE anywhere they are.

When people enter this area from the south, do you really think they will be charmed, and want to stay in this area, when the view is totally overshadowed by by towering tanks? If that’s the view they wanted, they could visit Pittsburgh instead of the North Coast.

Putting LNG tanks on the Columbia River is sheer wanton destruction for a buck … and the big boys in Texas would laugh their asses off at the gullible rubes up north all the way to the bank.

6 On Oct 2, 10:55 am, Patrick McGee wrote:

Don McDaniel endorsing Emil Nyberg?

On the issue of LNG?

One gentleman with a kind and loving heart and the volunteer of all volunteers, simply wanting to be optimistic about good jobs for our citizens even though misinformed and disillusioned and another with a presumed stellar financial background that allowed Calpine Energy, ow Oregon LNG to get a foothold on 90, some acres of Skipanon Peninsula and abetted The Port of Astoria’s attempt at driving itself into the ground?

Quite frankly I will not waste the rhetoric to their benefit.

And McDaniel? Trying to promote, yet, another economic development group that doesn’t really want to attract new, cohesive, well paying industry here that fits our environment and future but instead, just make those already here fatter whenever possible.

8 On Oct 2, 01:37 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:

OK, so I ask “Anotheratorian”: Exactly how many jobs are going to be waiting for US at Bradwood the day it opens its doors and what are the specific jobs they will be offering?

I’ll wait for your answer before asking any more questions.

I must have overlooked the specifics on that one.

10 On Oct 2, 03:24 pm, Anotherastorian wrote:

I’ve been paying close attention over the course of the last few years, and have done an incredible amount of research on the subject. I’ve also made a point to attend any and all of the meetings and presentations to various civic groups, the Chamber, and so on, along with asking the questions when something came to mind that I wanted clarified.

The “hiring locally” has been something they’ve stressed as important to them from the very start – in case you hadn’t noticed, this fall they offered welding scholarships to locals to be able to participate in the college’s welding course. And yes, if you call the college I’m sure they’ll verify that information for you. (My own niece was a beneficiary-she wouldn’t have been able to participate in the program without that scholarship). And although it’s a bit early to be talking about classes that will be developed for the actual employees three years from now, I wouldnt’ be a bit surprised if that’s already being discussed.

As far as the taxes, gee, I would imagine the estimates shown are based on formulas provided by the State or County – they didn’t just pull those figures out of a hat.

Where river traffic goes, LNG ship traffic will increase total river transits by only about 7%, which is STILL fewer ships than were on the river 10 years ago. (according to the Bar Pilots) When it comes to the dreaded “passing zones” that were identified with the release of the Coast Guard’s Waterway Suitability Report, it is important to know that those same passing zones exist (and always have) for any instance of two large ships meeting each other on the river. The same is true for the security zone – which is the same as for cruise ships. Almost every ship on the river has a security zone of some kind, the range of which depends on the value of the cargo – whether it be a car carrier, LNG ship or cruise ship (the cruise ship’s valuable cargo of course being people). And considering that the LNG tankers will arrive and depart based on their ability to go straight through, they will not add to the “parking lot”. Our Bar Pilots and River Pilots do their job very well, and most people would be absolutely amazed at the technology. Oh, and by the way, in case you wonder why I know so much about this is because in my former life I was USCG…happily retired now, but still keeping up.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to when you mention a terminal in Longview – unless you’re talking of the project that they tried to get going at Port Westward, which is no longer on the table.

I can see where my former post saying their promises had to be kept because they were in black and white may have seemed a bit broad and I apologize – The things that are in black and white are the mitigation measures which, by the way, are TEN times what would be required. Considering that they have been sponsoring events and contributing funds to dozens of local non-profits and other organizations, I don’t imagine that money will stop coming in once they are “official” members of the community.

12 On Oct 3, 03:03 am, J D wrote:

Post 10 has some good info in it and valid points. Post 11 just attacks the person. Why?

14 On Oct 3, 07:04 am, Emil Nyberg wrote:

Patrick McGee,
Thank you for useing your real name. That dose make you creditable. I ask you.

What kinds of new, cohesive, well paying industries would you like to attract here that fits our enviroment and can build a future for our young people?

How would you attract them if you do not have anyone trying to do so?

Notice how many young people 20 – 55 you see in Clatsop County. Very few because there ane so few family wage jobs.

16 On Oct 3, 01:15 pm, Anotherastorian wrote:

Mr. McGee says: “Wake up! #10 you make yourself look silly on this issue. The fact is there are way too many and very important unanswered questions on the issue of Bradwood or Oregon LNG that need to be answered, completely before any more movement on the issue and then, before it is finalled, it needs to go to a County vote.”

Mr. McGee – How interesting that you say my FACTS make me look silly on the issue. Considering that I AM stating facts, your comment just shows that if anyone doesn’t agree with YOUR viewpoint, their comments have no merit.

No, I’m not stating anything that isn’t common knowledge, it’s simply that often the factual issues tend to get overlooked because you happen to think it’s a “scam”, and I am just doing my part to make sure the real facts remain in focus.

Do you realize that there are no less than 43 active and proposed LNG terminals in the United States? That figure alone tells me that the industry is something that this entire country needs, and just because some people feel our pristine little part of the country is too pretty to allow industry, we should thumb our noses at it.

I would also LOVE to see the “new” Nuclear come back, but I think nuclear stands a snowballs chance in hell of getting back into the region. Never mind that it has NO emissions…If the NIMBY’S are this up in arms against a worldwide safe industry that is currently the cleanest burning fuel, they certainly aren’t going to put up with a nuclear future, regardless of how safe THAT industry has been made over the years.

As far as the unanswered questions Mr. McGee, has it ever occurred to you to ask the horses mouth? The only LNG-related presentations or events I’ve noticed you at have been some of the public hearings and the ANTI-LNG rallies. You certainly aren’t going to get answers from the Columbia Riverkeepers or Wahkiakum Friends of the River. (Unless it’s only the answers YOU want to hear, that is)

18 On Oct 3, 01:53 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:

And your point Post #16?

You have your view, I have mine.

I am where I need to be, when I need to be where I need to be.

You?

How bout you gracing us with…”The Real Facts” from all those meetings you attend and all this knowledge you have accrued to jerk us less informed into line on the subject.

What can you tell us about the “Security Costs” and who will pay for them?

Woops! Did I ask that in another post?

I think I did and it was you I asked.

Well??????

Facts please and just the facts.

Wonder what would be worse, Nuclear Contamination or Pro-LNG B.S. Contamination?

What are the specific job requirements for an LNG Transfer Facility and the specific training and background requirements for each position?

I think many of us would like an answer to this one.

20 On Oct 4, 09:50 am, Astorianna wrote:

So much for all the blather about the wonderful slew of jobs NorthernStar will supposedly provide. This is what I found in the FERC material pertaining to NorthernStar:

“The operators would be required to meet all the training requirements of the DOT, Coast Guard, and other applicable regulatory
entities. Operating personnel would be on duty at the termina1 24 hours per day, 7 days per week.

“Three operators per shift would work in the control room. In addition, one or two operators would be available to perform manual operating tasks at the processing and storage areas.

“NorthernStar would maintain a full-time, maintenance staff to perform routine maintenance and minor overhauls at the LNG terminal. Major overhauls and major maintenance activities would be handled by trained and qualified contract personnel.”

Does this sound like a bonanza of full-time family-wage jobs? I don’t think so.

22 On Oct 4, 11:57 am, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:

DJ with Post number 12, I was pointing out that someone who is very involved in local politics was a Port Commissioner who sold out the County and he paid for this error by losing his seat on the Commission. When the people talk their leaders should listen. I mean even George Bush finally stopped denying global climate change. I was not trying to be mean, just realistic, but if he doesn’t want to listen it will only be to his detriment.

Country Boy with Post #21, I re-read all the replies and I didn’t see one incident of anyone being called a name except when Astroianna said that the Texas Gas firm thinks we are all “gullible rubes” and don’t you think that’s what they think of us. They offer shinny new fire trucks so we can deal with the disasters and the blight they will bring to our community.

Also someone talked about “the cleanest burning fuel” Cleanest still isn’t clean. We have to get away from burning anything. Wind and solar is clean. If they really want to make money they could go that route. I presently pay 18% more for my electric bill because I choose to invest in wind power. Bring in wind mills and solar panels and I will fight for their industry to be head quartered in this County.

24 On Oct 4, 03:31 pm, Anotherastorian wrote:

From #22: Also someone talked about “the cleanest burning fuel” Cleanest still isn’t clean. We have to get away from burning anything. Wind and solar is clean. If they really want to make money they could go that route. I presently pay 18% more for my electric bill because I choose to invest in wind power. Bring in wind mills and solar panels and I will fight for their industry to be head quartered in this County.

Guy – where would you recommend the hundreds of 150’ tall wind turbines be placed that could even come close to providing the power even just Astoria would need? All over the hillsides maybe? The beaches? Where would people camp and hike then? I’m sorry, as great as wind power would be, I’m sure that our outdoor-lovers and recreationists would be up in arms if their recreation was interrupted. Even if there were a really great location nearby to put the wind farms, it would be a major undertaking using LOTS AND LOTS of land.

And as far as answering Mr. McGees security question – I’m sorry I didn’t say this in the previous post- No, I don’t have an answer to that question. I’m sure that once those details are worked out, we’ll ALL know. Whether the Coast Guard will escort or just have a member of the local law enforcement on one of the tugs, who knows? I don’t consider that a huge detail myself!

26 On Oct 5, 04:45 am, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:

The miles of dunes at Ft. Stevens. Even back in the planes from the dunes. The blades are high enough that they can even be inland somewhat and still catch the wind that is above the trees. The out door folks sure don’t complain about the cell phone towers and if their text messaging ever went away you would see how quickly more towers would be built. The people in Holland don’t mind their wind mills, and seeing a wind mill on a dry country ranch is natural as well. We need electricity to run just about everything. If we are going to consume electricity we need to do it with the least impact to our environment. Windmills have little environmental impact other than visual. Burning natural gas does have an impact.

28 On Oct 5, 03:01 pm, Anotherastorian wrote:

I’m as much for reliable, renewable energy sources as the next guy, but unfortunately because of some short-sighted people years ago, this country is decades behind other countries in wind and solar. I know they seem to finally be waking up, but it’s still going to take 10 years or more before anything of substance can be produced in this country, much less this region.

In the meantime, we need to work smarter and utilize the LEAST-harmful energy source at our disposal…stop using coal and start using natural gas to supplement hydro & whatever wind power IS being produced. As alternative & renewable sources come online, we may eventually be able to wean ourselves from other sources, but I sincerely feel that natural gas is going to be around – it will have to be, because our population keeps growing and our fuel consumption keeps going up.

And an aside to Astorianna – Considering no one has ever been successful at “blowing up” an LNG tanker, they certainly are NOT floating bombs. Someone shot some missiles at one during the Gulf War, and it did very little damage and the cargo did not ingnite. Because of that, guess what? Nobody bothers trying to bomb one! And since there are hundreds of LNG facilities all over the world and not a one has been bombed or a tanker destroyed, that tells me that the whole “terrorist target” idea is simply another scare tactic by the anti-LNG, anti-progress, anti-development of any kind crowd.

30 On Oct 5, 03:19 pm, Anotherastorian wrote:

I apologize for the double post, got a “page cannot be displayed” and even after waiting awhile it hadn’t posted but then of course, when I posted it again, there it was…twice.

anyway, something else worth mentioning. Personally, I don’t consider http://www.bradwoodlanding.com/good_location.htm unsightly at all, especially since they are going to paint the tanks to blend into the hillside. Up in Alaska, there are actually tour boats that go by the LNG liquifaction plant because the technology is so fascinating to most people.

32 On Oct 6, 09:54 am, Patrick McGee wrote:

(((((“And since there are hundreds of LNG facilities all over the world and not a one has been bombed or a tanker destroyed, that tells me that the whole “terrorist target” idea is simply another scare tactic by the anti-LNG, anti-progress, anti-development of any kind crowd.”))))))

Well, considering the fact a cell group of Al Qaeda Terrorits could establish themselves in the “Mightiest Nation in the World”, The United States of America, commandeer 4 Commercial passenger aircraft, have enough skill to fly two of them into the World Trade Center, the symbol of Imperialist World Trade and Commerce in the U.S., circumvent all security of, supposedly, the Mightiest Military in the world and fly one directly into the symbol of all that power, The Pentagon and almost, as speculated but thwarted, make a successful attempt at driving another plane into the the symbol of, supposedly, The Most Powerful Government in the World, The nationas Capital or The White House, what makes anyone, even here in lowly little old Clatsop County, so naive as to think that a well trained and skilled Terrorist group could not, on the high seas, commandeer just one LNG Tanker in transit to the mouth of the Columbia River, off the crew and all on board (These tankers operate with a minimal crew and whatever apssengers may be onboard), approach the mouth, take on a Bar pilot, who would like not know the difference or expect anything suspicious of a crew, likely from some third world nation as seems prevelant in ship crews these days, operating the ship as usual, pass off to the River Pilot about the waterfront of Astoria or under the Meglar Bridge, a symbol of our lifeline between the two states, and trigger the release of three full tanks, about 36 million gallons of gasifying LNG and then light her up.

How long would it take USCG, Clatsop County Sheriff, Oregon State Police, Astoria Police, Warrenton Police, Teh Members of The Clatsop County Board of Commissioners to pack their bags, all involved, to figure out something was deathly wrong before anybody could react?

Of course this would never happen right because it has never happened begore because this is the U.S. of A.

You think we are mereley providing Al Qaeda a new and effective weapon to use against us? After all, the key advantage of Terrorism is “Time”.

34 On Oct 6, 11:23 am, Pierce wrote:

This poll is from last year but given the plummeting credibility of the Bush administration, the Neocons and their corresponding think tanks, if anything 16% may be generous.
According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:

“Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?

Telling the truth 16%

Hiding something 53%

Mostly lying 28%

Not sure 3%”

The 84% figure mirrors other recent polls on the same issue. A Canadian Poll put the figure at 85%. A CNN poll had the figure at 89%. Over 80% supported the stance of Charlie Sheen when he went public with his opinions on 9/11 as an inside job.

A recent CNN poll found that the percentage of Americans who blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington rose from almost a third to almost half over the past four years. This latest poll shows that that figure has again risen exponentially and now stands at well over three quarters of the population.

36 On Oct 6, 03:30 pm, Jon Dana wrote:

I like fiction, this could be a best seller, but have them take it to portland, more damage y’know

38 On Oct 6, 05:08 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:

In reference to Post #34: I don’t much give a crap about your silly poll statistics Pierce and the stupid point you are trying to make.

The simple point is 3000 or so people, good, hard working Americans and likely many foreign citizens, as well, are dead because of it and we were caught with our pants way down on it and it showed us all how vulnerable we are to that type of event.

I will agree with you that the Bush Administration has failed miserably, here on the Oregon North Coast and Lower Columbia River by writing and passing a fairly decent Energy Bill with only one glaring exception and that is, it appears, leaving a big blank hole on the issue and controls of LNG Speculation and Siting and I am certain there are many other communities throughout the United States under this same insugergency and the autonomity of F.E.R.C. on the final dispositon of these projects.

If it’s any indication or assumption your Democrat and related brethren will do any better, look at the example set by our incumbent State and National Leadership presumably serving us, your fellow community members(You do still claim Astoria as your home don’t you?), in our trust. Not a freaking peep except for Betsy Johnson doing a little grandstanding at the recent Oregon LNG, “Get To Know Us And The Next Assault Planned For You Meeting” over in Warrenton a few weeks ago but, I truly believe she was just running interference for her close personal friend Gary Coppedge, owner of Bradwood Landing because, in truth, of the two, Skipanon is a much more workable project, if there were ever to be one here.

There is Governor “K” making a bunch of noise about renewable and sustainable energy solutions but once again, not a freaking peep about the LNG insurgency in our own communities.

And now our futures for decades to come are in the hands of….Richard Lee, Ann Samuelson, Patricia Roberts, Sam Patrick, Jeff Hazen and County Manager, Scott Derickson. This Application before them is a blanket approval that will allow BL/NSNG to move forward, unimpeded with no restraint whatsoever or accountability.

Everybody that should be speaking up and raising holy hell, continue to sit around completely mum, waiting for the hammer to drop…not freaking peep.

By the way you didn’t bring up the Cruise Missile theory.

40 On Oct 6, 10:20 pm, jubilee wrote:

With Lng, it isn’t foreign terrists we have to be afraid of, but the dig in their heels, fossil fuel profit reapers, our safety be damned. Patrick is right about this issue, and he’s getting to be a good writer. (I doubt that al boogey men from anywhere are going to bomb us, just thugs that work for our “government”.

42 On Oct 7, 09:50 am, prarie pup wrote:

Dont build any LNG tanks because terrists might blow’em up like the WTC…therefore, dont build anymore skyscrapers because terrists might crash airplanes into’em like they already did

Im surprised nobody has played the al Qaeda card on the Astoria condo issue

44 On Oct 7, 01:53 pm, pamela wrote:

yeah yeah yeah, but how good are you all going to feel once there are cameras along the riverwalk every several yards. The Astoria police are probably already making a deal to monitor the riverwalk via these live cams now looking for wrong doers. Sure some of you may not think there is anything wrong with this, but hey….there’s this little thing called freedom I am kinda fond of.

Astoria police should do us a favor if this should come to pass and start ticketing people who let their dogs crap and dont pick it up. Could be a revenue stream previously untapped.

46 On Oct 7, 09:46 pm, Washington Landowner wrote:

I am not an Oregon resident but am greatly impacted by the NorthernStar/Bradwood project since our property will be the recipient of the pipeline. I have spent three years studying and learning about LNG since more than one project may impact our property. What constantly amazes me is the lack of many to see the “big picture” of this particular project.
The original application submitted to the FERC called for 125 shipments of gas using 200,000 cubic meter ships and included in the design print an optional third tank. The Coast Guard told NorthernStar they would be restricted to the smaller 143,000 cubic meter tankers until safety studies on the 200,000 cubic meter sized ships were conducted and the ships deemed “safe”. Since NorthernStar is temporarily restricted to the smaller ships, will 125 shipments be enough to make up for the loss or will they suddenly need to increase shipments to make up the difference? Simple math here.

NorthernStar also states they have no immediate plans to build the third tank; however, they also have talked to a multitude of private people as well as organizations about selling the pipeline to Northwest Natural as well as the terminal and, possibly, prior to construction. So, if they sell and the new owner wants to expand, what happens to the number of shiploads then? Will we now see 150, 175, 200 shipments per year?
I ask all of this because the Port of Astoria does not rely on shipping like the Ports of Kalama, Longview, Vancouver, Portland and all the way up the Columbia and Snake Rivers. The decisions made by your commissioners affect EVERYONE on this river as well as farmers, ranchers and businesses in the central and eastern areas of our states. This will impact people and business all the way to Montana. This IS the big picture. This is NOT just a Clatsop County issue!
We hear about the wonderful jobs this project will create for Clatsop County, but what happens when the river is full of LNG tankers, which have proprietory access to the river behind cruise ships, and all those ports upriver lose contracts and suffer tremendous losses? Will your 25 plus jobs cover the loss of thousands of jobs? Will the training program and scholarships put in place by NorthernStar be enough to train all those who may lose their jobs due to shipping delays and losses of contracts? Can those of you who support this project give absolute and irrefutable proof that this project will NOT negatively impact shipping for other ports? Are you willing to stake your reputation, career or life savings? Are you willing to look in the eye those who lose their jobs, apologize for your poor judgement and give them your “family wage” job as retribution? I don’t think so. It’s about time people think beyond their own little world and stand up for what’s right.

48 On Oct 8, 08:39 pm, Washington Landowner wrote:

Interesting—No takers for answering my questions or challenge. Guess when it comes time to give up your own security the grass isn’t so green on the other side after all. It’s ok to put the pipeline 0n my property but not yours? It’s ok for you to advocate the loss of jobs for potentially thousands of others in the name of creating a couple of jobs for your neighbors and close friends. How’s the big picture looking now?

To post 47: We own 5 acres and the pipeline will cross through the middle of it basically leaving the rest unusable. The work zone will be 200 X 250 feet for 37 days plus the 100 ft work area for the pipeline for approx. 326 feet. The permanent right of way for the easement will be 50 feet wide for that same 326 feet. We’ve already been told by Sy Garrett, CEO of NorthernStar, that they are not in the real estate business. Our choices? We negotiate a settlement for an easement or they take us to court. Either way, they win. Of course, you are told you will receive fair market value for the one time easement settlement but, according the the DEIS, NorthernStar chooses and hires their own appraiser. I think we’ll hire our own if it comes to that point. I’m still hopeful it won’t. Basically, landowners are left with no alternative but to get the best and brightest and, therefore, most expensive lawyers out there.
PS: did I mention a 4000 foot hole under the Columbia River will be drilled from our property and less than 125 feet from our well? Oh, and the drill hole will go through our aquifer. Nice, huh? We still don’t know how close to our front door the hole will be but somewhere between inches and less than 20 feet. Happy Retirement!

50 On Oct 9, 08:08 am, Jon Dana wrote:

Just for the sake of argument and I could be wrong.

I must be getting old, remember when the port used to be stacked up with logs waiting to be loaded and grain in the old grain elevator, and the loading of boxcars with canned tuna at Point Adams. Yes we had a real working port at one time. For numerous reasons it all went to hell ( ban on exporting logs off state land?, railroad tracks deterioration.) Why couldn’t we have built a larger grain silo, possible no money in unloading grain? So we do get jealous when we are the parking lot for the up-river ports when we used to have some of that business. Point is we already lost the jobs here. OK so your going to have an easement on approx 1/3 acre of land, a football field is 165 ft. wide they want 50. A football field is 330 ft. goal line to goal post. yes it would be a mess for awhile but the grass would grow back and the cows and horses would be happy, I don’t think the whole 5 acres would be unusable. And the best for last. NO friggan way would they be working that close to my house OR drilling through my aquifer, I’d fight them on that crap!!

52 On Oct 9, 09:53 am, Patrick McGee wrote:

Fight who Jon?

Don’t forget, October 22, 2007, if CCBofC signs off on “The Consolidated Land Use Application”(The key word, “Consolidated” or Blanket Approval), you as a citizen of Clatsop County, through those 5 people and County Manager, have given NSNG free rein to move ahead unimpeded by any crying any of us can do.

Post #19 lists it all, unanswered questions unresolved and all on any item.

They can write and sign their own documents without interference from “The Lowly Citizen”.

You and everybody else around these parts needs to show up pissed as hell and ready to fight for your future or make damned sure you take the names of those to be held accountable.

This is no game now.

54 On Oct 9, 05:32 pm, Washington Resident wrote:

To post no. 50. We didn’t buy flat land for farming and grazing so where that pipeline is placed, in fact, does greatly impact our land. We were told early on our barn would be removed along with our outbuildings for our animals. We will not be able to put those buildings back where they were because no permanent structures may be built on the easement. We chose our property for our retirement to enjoy the beautiful view and raise a handful of animals. Having NorthernStar and the FERC dictate where our outbuildings can be is an insult to any landowner.

As far as fighting them—we are with every ounce of our courage, savings and lifeblood.

56 On Oct 10, 05:33 am, Jon Dana wrote:

OK, sounds like your going to get screwed. Questions,any idea how much they are going to give you for the barn and outbuildings, market value or replacement value? I’d go to the county and try to get an ordinance or zone change, then get estimates or bids for site work and the rebuilding of the structures. Is it feasable, how far are the buliders of the pipeline willing to go to make people happy, if at all. Is it even possible to get them into court? Can they tear down your buildings without rebuilding them? There has to be some govt agency that would help you with them drillin so close to your water source. That is total BS!!!

58 On Oct 12, 06:26 pm, Great Editorial Patrick!! wrote:

Letter: Strength in unity
Oct. 22 is the day the Clatsop County Board of Commissioners will sit in session. They will rule on a critical and controversial decision by the Clatsop County Planning Commission to continue to smooth the way for Bradwood Landing?NorthernStar proposed liquefied natural gas transfer?storage facility at a critical bottleneck in the shipping channel of the Columbia River at Puget Island, more than 20 miles upriver from the Columbia Bar, as if you did not already know.

The decision these five people will make, along with their colluding staff, could quite possibly drive another nail in the coffin of our lives in this community for many, many decades to come.

Enslavement to one, just one, of these “private” energy speculators sets a precedent for more in other areas of our community.

Even Oregon LNG, the recipient of the benefits of a bonehead deal between the now defunct Calpine Energy Group and our own Port of Astoria, led at the time by former Port Executive Director Peter Gearin, is already flaunting a facility on the Skipanon Peninsula of three LNG storage tanks in lieu of the two it had claimed originally. Bradwood or not, it plans to move ahead, adding to the deal a multi-county 36-inch diameter natural gas pipeline.

The way I see it, we, the citizens of Clatsop County, no matter how complacent or apathetic any of us may be, cannot afford to sit home on this one.

The last county census showed a population of around 33,660 citizens in total. Minus these players in the decision-making that we, presumably, put there to represent our interests, we all need to show up that day, without exception, to the man, woman, child. It’s that important to our futures, and cannot be ignored. These people need to be held accountable.

We need to fill the hall where that meeting is being held, flow out to the sidewalks, up and down the street in a quiet and orderly vigil, all holding an 81?2 inch by 11 inch piece of paper with two words, boldly in red, depending on your viewpoint, “Yes” or “No.”

I am confident the majority will write the word “No.” Some will write “Yes,” but, no matter the view, and to show our strength in unity, the individual views should be respected, no matter what.

I’m going to be there, and if you’ve never stood up for anything in your lives, now is the time to do so. Man, woman, child, business owner, worker, student, fisherman, logger, carpenter, all – you need to be there.

Hold these people accountable for putting the lives and life-quality of us all on the line based on yet-unfounded hype. Critical questions are still unanswered.

Patrick McGee
Astoria

60 On Oct 12, 09:32 pm, AnotherAstorian wrote:

Before “Washington” gets their panties in a wad I’d like to point out that Patricks emphasis on the pipeline in the “Consolidated Land Use Application” ONLY covers Clatsop County.

Good Ole’ Washington doesn’t have to worry about what happens over here as far as approvals…they’ll still have their say when the time comes.

Ya know? If I were a land owner (which I have been in cases like this in the past)...If I didn’t feel confident in my abilities to negotiate a fair lease, I would hire a lawyer who could…I have, in previous land dealings, received very attractive lease payments from utilities wanting to use my easements. I would much rather negotiate a lease and get monthly payments for my property than have it taken away eventually to eminent domain because the utility had nowhere else to go – I’ve had that happen too, and it’s not pretty.

62 On Oct 13, 07:18 am, Patrick MCGee wrote:

If you construe apathy and complacency as a “Yes”, you might just be correct but, I am certain all here know this scheme is not the right thing for us and they have one chance to make that known on October 22, 2007 and as our activist history versus “The Players” reflects, we can assume the outcome on that date but, who knows, maybe the citizen here values their future moreso than those 5 sitting Nabobs on County Commission and are willing to step forward and make their position known.

Yes, we will see, I sure can’t make whatever happens happen on my own, nor can you.

The other question still looms…...If Not LNG, What?

You have any answers to that one?

64 On Oct 13, 11:36 am, Patrick MCGee wrote:

When the Umatilla project was initiated in 1970 in Warrenton, Ore., BPA’s rate was 2 mills per kilowatt hour. The plan fell through because of environmental objections concerning plankton in the estuary near Warrenton. Alumax then moved north, to Umatilla, signed a contract in 1975 and paid BPA $3-million for connections made at the former site.

Legal problems about the move resulted in abandonment of the project. Alumax instead built its Mt. Holly, S.C., smelter, which went onstream in 1979.

This is from a 1984 article “Pup”

66 On Oct 14, 09:19 am, Patrick McGee wrote:

So you say #65 on the issue of LNG but, that’s you versus me hence, to really decide on the issue and since our lives, all, will be impacted for decades to come on both sides of the river, don’t you think an area wide vote would be appropriate to settle it?

You think it would make any difference?

You think we could do any better than LNG in our midst and put many more people to work, not just during the construction phase?

68 On Oct 14, 10:00 am, Emil Nyberg wrote:

Did you know that Bradwood Landing gave 17 welding scolarships at Clatsop Community College? Just think after the building of Bradwood Landing is complete these 17 people can still make a living helping the other industries that will come in support of Bradwood.

Patrick? If you say somthing ofen enough do you think people will start believing it?

Were do you come up with a paltry 35 jobs?

So far as I can see Bradwood Landing has fulfilled everythingn thing they said they would do.

Think about it real hard for a few minutes and common sense will tell that’s what it’s all about in reality

70 On Oct 14, 12:04 pm, Emil Nyberg wrote:

Patrick
Get real. How many fully paid scolarships have you given, 17 is all that applied.

Also you did not answere where are all the jobs that the anties were going to creat when they said that we needed light industry in 1970 and not a alm. plant.

Are you scared that the wage base will go up if we creat these jobs and have a demand for labor?

72 On Oct 14, 12:47 pm, prarie pup wrote:

Emil kicks McGee’s ass time after time.

74 On Oct 14, 02:22 pm, Emil Nyberg wrote:

Patrick
At this moment I can not say I know the answeres to you questions. When I post numbers they will be correct so give me a few days and I will find the true numbers.

Do you think if I said 75 often enough some would start taking that for fact? And that is not counting the spill over effect.

76 On Oct 14, 03:01 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:

Post #57 – Emil below is Sempra Energy’s(A like Energy Speculator to Northern Star Natural Gas)disclaimer to its Stockholders, mind you, and somewhere in all of NSNG’s “Hooey” you will likely find the same or similar “Butt Coverer”.

Why is that I wonder?

They are not about to divulge to you or anybody else any specific data or answer to any mitigation or concerns until they get a lock and when that happens they will tell you to kiss their butts and just wait till they are done if you want real answers. By then it’s way too late.

You will not find any specific answers as to exactly how many people will be working there in the end or what specifically any job duty is.

You will not know until the end whether or not NSNG/BWL will apply for the 5 year Tax Deferment until they do it and then, too late.

Do you know who will pay for all Tanker Escort Security?
No you don’t and you won’t.

And so on and so on.

Nevertheless, with all these unanswered and critical questions plus many more Clatsop Countu Board of Commissioners going to rule on those very. still unsatisfied issues.

Anyway read the disclaimer below.

This report contains statements that are not historical fact and constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Legislation Reform Act of 1995. When the company uses words like “believes,” “expects,” “anticipates,” “intends,” “plans,” “estimates,” “may,” “would,” “should” or similar expressions, or when the company discusses its strategy or plans, the company is making forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of performance. They involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions. Future results may differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are necessarily based upon various assumptions involving judgments with respect to the future and other risks, including, among others: national, international, regional and local economic, competitive, political, legislative and regulatory conditions and developments; actions by the California Public Utilities Commission, the California State Legislature, the California Department of Water Resources and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission; capital market conditions, inflation rates and interest rates; energy markets, including the timing and extent of changes in commodity prices; weather conditions; business, regulatory and legal decisions; the pace of deregulation of retail natural gas and electricity delivery; the timing and success of business development efforts; and other uncertainties, all of which are difficult to predict and many of which are beyond the company’s control. These risks and uncertainties are further discussed in the company’s reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission that are available through the EDGAR system without charge at its Web site, www.sec.gov.

78 On Oct 14, 03:51 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:

Emil, your analogies are no where close to the magnitude of what’s before this community and with that kind of shallowness in thought, maybe that’s why we keeping exposing ourselves to these types of industries attempting to push their way into it.

My business does not allow for open ended issues, fortunately, but since you are trying to relate a comparison, the LNG issue currently, as it stands now, would be the local building authorities (CCBofC in this case)to allow a set of construction documents for a structure in an earthquake zone into the field with all necessary permits approved but, without any structural/siesmic engineering or corroberating documents whatsoever and then allowing the builder/developer to go scott free when it collapses and kills the occupants.

LNG will be our curse, there’s really nothing to spin on it, it is simply bad for this and many other communites.

I believe we can do better.

80 On Oct 14, 05:05 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:

Sorry Emil that’s not the way my business works.

I agree with your motivation but, Bradwood and Oregon and Nygaard LNG is not the answer, in my view.

I believe we can do better and in the interest of many more people as soon as we develop a vision of our own rather than have one pushed on us from the outside.

Peter Hackett is truthful when he says every cubic foot of Natural Gas going out of his facility as well as any out of The Skipanon and Tansy Point facilities as proposed is going to Commercial Customers, not to your house or mine. Do you actually believe that? You best be calling Peter Hackett and asking him if you are not certain.

Your heart, as always, is in the right place.

82 On Oct 14, 07:25 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:

Our Local Distribution Company is Northwest Natural Gas Company.
Call Peter Hackett at Astoria’s Bradwood office and ask him to explain it to you then explain it to us so that I will not muddy it up in the process.

84 On Oct 16, 07:10 pm, Hmmmm! wrote:

I could have told you that about the general makeup of the jobs myself Emil.

35 Operators and Support? What are the job titles and requisite training criteria to be a successful candidate for any of those positions. Don’t you think they would be shopping those positions around these parts to search for propspective “Locals” that might have the appropriate background or core talents “Now” to train rather than wait till they are ready to open should this project see fruition?

12 Security? “Barnet Fife No Guns” or “High Security,Deadly Force Trained”?

12 Tugs? What is that? Tug crews? And no contract with Foss Marine? Somebody’s going to really be pissed on that one.

6 Law Enforcement? What is that? Our own Off Duty Law Enforcement Persommel working for Bradwood?

The Gas Distribution?

I said “Commercial Customers” is what Hackett told me and I notice no comment on “US” benefitting from any of the gas directly. Yes, we know the intention of this company along with Oregon LNG is to pipe it to one of the mainline pipelines and to “Their Commercial Customers”. Where is their list of prospective….”Commerical Customers”? Did he show you that list? Is there one at all?

Did he define what “Commercial Customers” means?

You must ask him, that’s a vital question.

I’m thinking you just had another big dose of smoke blown up your ass by Peter.

Sorry to be so cynical, Really, I am.

You being the business man you are, these are simply questions in any Buniness Plan, not confirmed, that would get it rejected out of hand.

86 On Oct 16, 08:38 pm, Emil Nyberg wrote:

If you wanted those answers why did you not ask. I was told that Pete was an honest man (read post 80) and what Patrick wanted answered. Read post 71 I got the answeres I noticed you did not use your name ( Is that so you can bring up fear mongering ) Itwas stated the gas will go to all of us in the North West. They are not the retailer of the gas so why should they have that list?

88 On Oct 16, 10:10 pm, lee wrote:

to another astorian-you seem to “understand” much but you won’t put your real name down or tell us why you understand so much. Paddy has researched this and has found a quote from the lt. governor of california. The guy states that Californians won’t have to worry about fuel because it will be piped in from Oregon. There is a whole lot more to the story than what you have been told by Godzilla. Paddy is totally wrong about the way he talks to women or defends fascists, but at least he is courageous and almost tireless in fighting for the area.

You can’t expect to march into a bradwood office and have them level with you. We’ll be lucky if they don’t blow it up when they’re done like they did the BP refinery in good ol Texas. How may died? Did they care? Profit trumps lives with them.

Emil reminds me of Tom Duncan finally saying something like “Roberts will be alright for the supreme court”. It’s probably because he was tired o