2 On Aug 1, 09:58 am, Jeff wrote:

Tryan, thank you for pointing this out. I brought this up at the budget hearing as a point of principle that the State of Oregon should be paying the full salary of a state officer. Obviously, this has been spun with many different conspiracy therories. As a new member of the county commission, I did not have the history of personally interacting with the district attorney as a member of the county commissioner. However, since this decision was made (by 7 of the members of the budget committee) I have gotten a taste of how the district attorney choses to interact with others. The Oregonian editorial refers to “petty politics”, I submit that it was the district attorney who has brought the petty politics in play. He is the one who immediately called his friend Lars Larson about the stipend issue. He is likely the one who called several media outlets in Portland about the issue. I base this likeliness on the amount of phone calls I received from them requesting interviews.

In Sandra’s Swain’s recent article, she claims that the commission ignored public opinion about the issue. I challenge anyone to claim that they have had more contact than I regarding this issue. I have been contacted by multitudes of citizens supporting the decision. Yes, it is true that at the commission meeting, the majority of people that spoke were supportive of the district attorney. However, it is important to note that a few of them were members of the district attorney’s office and several others are close neighbors to the district attorney. I understand the hesitation that many had not publicly testifying against the district attorney.

It is obvious that the district attorney and the publisher of the local paper have a close relationship. This is evident by the slant that is in the articles in it. News articles should be just that, news. Editorializing news reports is an injustice to the journalism profession. I have no problem with the publisher writing editorials being critical of the decision that we made, but that should not spill over to the news reports.

The district attorney complains that we did not go to the legislature to address this issue. I am curious why the district attorney never came to us to ask for support in this effort. I believe that we would have joined the effort wholeheartedly but instead he chose to attack us for not doing it on our own.

Bottom line for me is that the state has failed in this issue. Even the governor has chosen to not address it. In a letter to the state bar in January, he wrote about his concerns of the salaries that are paid to judges and indigent defense attorneys. He did not include the salaries of district attorneys. I am guessing that he didn’t feel it was an issue since there was a source of revenue in place already, the counties of the state.

It is my opinion that the effort to modify the charter is a right given to the citizens, however, I believe that the initiative (if it passes) will be challenged based on the constitution of the state. One has to wonder if this isn’t an exercise in futility if it will be overturned by the courts as unconstitutional.

4 On Aug 1, 03:38 pm, Doody wrote:

3 On Aug 1, 12:14 pm, Cindy wrote:
do you honestly believe that Josh Marquis didn’t talk about his actions at the legislature with EVERYBODY————————————————————————————————————————
yes

6 On Aug 2, 05:37 am, Jennie wrote:

And it doesnt make sense that the amendment to the county-wide charter benefits only ONE person.

Think about how well money measures do in this county when they are on the ballot. Think about how the voters of this county feel about voting for something that gives ONE more person more money. Someone who probably makes twice as much as they(the voter) does…...

8 On Aug 2, 06:22 am, Jeff wrote:

I was merely pointing out that several who testified are neighbors. I don’t discount their testimony, however I have heard from people throughout the entire county. Common sense to me is listening to as many people as possible throughout the area, not just those closest to the district attorney, so I can better gauge the sentiments in the whole county.

10 On Aug 2, 07:50 am, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:

It seems that our Californian visitors still don’t get the point that this is an economically depressed area. Though they may be used to living a rather good life as kept spouses, the rest of us who are making a living here with far fewer resources are not inspired by extravagance.

As tax payers we burned the great expense to revamp the meeting room in the county building in Astoria and we would like to see. I know it makes sense to Californians to have a home in one location and visit it occasionally just to keep up appearances, but here most people have just one home and they live there. Astoria is the County seat and it is the home of the County Commission. I paid my taxes so they would have a home and not wander the county like Gypsies.

When the commissioners are looking out for the taxpayers they are doing the job they were elected to do, be it sticking to one location for their meetings or for ending the gratuity to a State employee. It is sad that this State employee is now trying to waste more of the taxpayers funds with all of his recent maneuvering. If he really loved it here he wouldn’t be putting our community through all of this drama.

The commissioners are doing what they should be, except Sam Patrick who is also here from California and votes with his Californian values of waste.

12 On Aug 2, 09:14 am, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:

The problem is that Josh made it necessary for the county to spend that money in the first place. They couldn’t go out and get a pro bono lawyer who historically has connections to Josh and to the Oregonian the way your team did.

I am a transplant here as well, but I am not at all trying to turn this place into the place I came from as the Californians are.

You shouldn’t fault people for not publishing their names. Being on the wrong side of a sneaky vengeful District Attorney is not a healthy place to be in this community. I can’t get pro bono representation if he fabricates charges and has his buddy at the Astorian run them as truth in the newspaper.

14 On Aug 2, 10:29 am, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:

You obviously aren’t paying attention. This thing goes way back, even before you got here. His arrogance just came to a boiling point. It was finally the perfect storm of the citizens being fed up with him and letting the commissioners know that they’ve had enough.

Scott, I don’t want to make you the whipping boy. If you really want to know the local displeasure with what you bring to the table simply read the forums. You’ve bent over and have been kicked enough. Stop bending over, because it isn’t going to get any better for you. Once Josh is voted out and leaves to pillage elsewhere you will still have to show your face and read your poetry in public.

16 On Aug 2, 12:33 pm, THartill wrote:

If I didn’t link to any site that has not “lied” before, then there would not be any links at all. I even would have to stop linking to the Oregonian since they are quoted as saying that the Commission cut the pay “for reasons no one seems willing or able to fully explain” and that Richard Lee voted no. (Sam Patrick did)

Are not these both lies?

Some people may not even like me linking to Josh’s articles or the Independent DA site for the same reasons mentioned. But I think people should be aware of what is going on.

BTW the link to the DSM site was that Josh lost the election….is that not true?
I believe that is the only time I have linked to a post over there. (I could be wrong)

18 On Aug 2, 02:48 pm, THartill wrote:

I didn’t quote from their site. I mentioned what they were saying and gave a link.

Folks over at DSM are reporting that Josh Marquis has lost his bid for the President-Elect position in the National District Attorneys Association. I am fairly certain that he did lose because the election happened Sunday. If he won the news would be all over Lars/KAST/Daily Astorian/Oregonian etc etc…....

Just like I do with independentDA.com and Josh’s site.

Is any of that not true?

Lots of people/websites/bloggers have lied/told mis-truths (including me) in the past. (One will be exposed tonight)

If I am linking and quoting outright lies, then yes you have a beef.

20 On Aug 2, 03:51 pm, Carrie Bartoldus wrote:

“I’m being talked about and quite often lied about in your forum by a very few people who can barely spell their own name or put two words together, much less a full sentence. It’s nothing but fun for me to go in and have a laugh at how ignorant people can be in an anonymous forum. I’m sure many are very nice in person, but I don’t worry about offending certain people in the community or somehow tarnishing my reputation if there were such a thing – I’m simply doing what I think is right.”

Name the “lies” Scott and I will counter with the lies told on the DA’s site and the Daily Astorian and by you on the forums. I also am very, very confidant that many “lies” have been planted by Ms. Price posting anonymously to give less credibility to the TRUTH being brought forward. I notice silence just as much as you do and whenever we talk about posting anonymously Ms. Price and Mr. Marquis go SILENT. EACH and EVERY time a DSM person posts something that another person believes to be incorrect it is challenged and links are given or the info has been discarded. It is a place for people to post their anecdotes regarding living in Clatsop County. Some of it PROVABLE now, some of it in the VERY near future and some of it never, so take it or leave it. Over and over again DSM and RUST have leaked stories hours and days before the Daily Astorian spins their version.

As to correcting people’s spelling and grammar, piss off. That’s plain RUDE. Listen for the message in what someone says. If you CARE about the person then you overlook whether they say asta la vee-sta instead of hasta que satisfacemos otra vez!

You call these sites “hate” sites, why? They love their commissioners. They haven’t written anything negative about Sam Patrick, but you EASILY search their archives in their search engines to see if they have. YOU call it a “hate” forum because a certain faction of posters don’t like what the DA has done. YOU have posted crap about a commissioner on your site. Is YOUR site a HATE site?

In my opinion your post makes YOU a liar, spinning the truth that VERY FEW people write there and they can barely spell their names much less string a sentence together. That YOU would try to silence people and rundown a forum for people to express how they feel and, challenge one another to produce the truth, is incredible for someone who screams about LNG silencing voices. I say this forthrightly and frankly, PISS OFF.

22 On Aug 2, 04:54 pm, Oracle Of Moosmoos wrote:

Did this dude Scott just get his clocked cleaned or what? LOL!!!

24 On Aug 2, 05:30 pm, scott wrote:

Thanks to all who posted after me for demonstrating the kind of response that is given in the hate forums – except of course it is far, far nastier in there. Anonymous attacks based on little but conjecture and hearsay. And what they’ve said about Josh and Cindy is so much worse.

I know for a fact from our previous conversations, Tryan, that you are not so dim as to not see what happens in the hate forums. You did not quote a line of text(most likely you would have difficulty finding one that would not raise eyebrows here), but said “an interesting thing was said in the such and such forum,” with a LINK to it, is what I am talking about.
You are lending these sites credibility, and I fear that your credibility – and that of the site that you have worked so hard on – may suffer from the association you have established.

Are you truly suggesting that you lend equal weight to something posted on Dried Salmon or Rust versus something written in the Oregonian? There is no fact check, there are no journalistic standards, and NO ONE USES THEIR NAME!

Please clarify at your convenience, I’m sure you’re not saying that because Daily A and The Oregonians had some typos that this means they are equal to hateforums in stature.

26 On Aug 2, 06:46 pm, scott wrote:

Tryan, you are choosing not to listen, and I’m saddened that you are pretending not to understand what I’m saying. I never mentioned DailyKos, and I believe that blog journalism, when practiced in an ethical fashion, has a great future – but aligning yourself, supporting the sites that post what is posted on those sites damages your credibility.

If you like, just say the word, and I’ll go and choose a few choice morsels from the sites and post them here for you – but I don’t think it’s necessary, because you already know what I’m talking about. Do you support what’s written about the DA and his wife and now his friends and his many supporters on those sites?

PS – Notice that Mr. Hazen conveniently stopped answering my questions, and notice that he did not refute my assertion that he had a meeting four days before the stipend was yanked at which he and Ann Samuelson were asked by Josh directly if they needed any more information, which would have been the time to bring it up if needed.

28 On Aug 2, 07:54 pm, Oracle Of Moosmoos wrote:

What is this, “International Own Scott Day”??

First Carrie, then TH and then Hazen for the Hat Trick! BAM!

Oh, and “Scott” while you’re demanding Mr. Hazen answer your questions, why don’t you answer Carrie’s? Is Burning Cornhole a “hate site”??

30 On Aug 2, 08:24 pm, The Guy Who Writes This wrote:

Geeze, I spend the day at the Fair and come back to all this. Cool!

32 On Aug 3, 10:10 am, scott wrote:

The way I feel about Internet Freedom is pretty well summed up by Henry Rollins at the link below – he says it better, and more emphatically than I could:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut9-hgFbJWs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbaconreport%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F2007%2F08%2Fhenry%2Drollins%2Dbest%2Drant%2Dever%2Ehtml

Note especially the part where Rollins says that the internet is a great tool for freedom, where you can say something, “SIGN YOUR NAME TO IT, let the world know the way you feel…”

Everyone deserves to face their accusers, Tryan, everybody.

As you will have guessed by now Tryan, I’m no fan of O’Reilly, and I know what you’re trying to do in your attempt to lamely compare my comments to his tactics.

My comment that your credibility suffers when linking to the Dried Salmon and Rust forums stands. You certainly have the right to associate yourself with their ideology, but you don’t get to keep the credibility and respect of your audience when you do so.

34 On Aug 3, 08:19 pm, Davey Jones wrote:

Jeff,

you young influenced politician. Your battle with the DA is only sinking you further into ruin with the waisted time like your friend, Bakkensen. When Joe was a younger man, we in Uniontown watched him try to run a cannery. It is a matter of fact that if it wasn;t for other people who bailed him out, he would still be broke. Mind you, canneries then where falling like a dead tuna in the deep ocean.

Joe then became a politician, much like you. Rest assuered young man, you have waisted more money of the counties time and while young Ann can’t find purpose, who also was raised playing with my children in Uniontown, she has forgotten her past, the light will come on and all of you will realize, the $13,000.00 you tried to save wounded up 100,000 dollars of waisted money.

I call it Port of Astoria economics. Penny Rich, Dime Short. You can see another fellow port man “has been”, Zafaratos try to save the day of the last of the cronies above.

In December of 1977 we built a new fire station in Uniontown. Zafaratos was there Joe too. You wouldn’t know it today. All but forgotten. But they took the credit then, and you will now by your rush to push others agendas.

He too is a “has been” and much time and energy are now waisted when you all could have done something to better our economy.

Politics is short lived, young man, your best deeds will be forgotten and covered quickly by your mis-deeds. Trust me.

Set a new direction and concentrate on building good things for this county, not focus on dirty politics. You will have enough to play with.

From the Locker, foot of Flavel.

36 On Aug 4, 09:35 am, scott wrote:

I don’t think anyone doubts that Jeff believes what he did was right and that he means well, but as “Davey Jones” points out, good people sometimes make bad decisions, and truly good people finally realize when they’ve made a mistake, admit it, and do their best to make up for it. It’s not too late for that. The county commissioners can still reverse the decision and reinstate the stipend.

“Mike Nesmith” wrote:
“If you ever made sense though you’ve lost it now. Jeff H. and Joe B. are good men. They care about the Columbia Pacific region and do their best to make it better for everyone. Anyone who knows them or who has lived here for any length of time will tell you that.”

38 On Aug 4, 12:41 pm, Davey Jones wrote:

Ah Mike, you are not from Uniontown and your words show youth.

The “Bar” was across the street from the Dough Boy Latrines, on Columbia St. on the otherside of Hellberg’s Corner. Alameda is a block away and starts in Filipino Town and was the longest street in Astoria. When the Finns and Filipinos drank and sang together, those where good days.

My Locker is at the foot of Flavel, the real Uniontown and the first block of the original Uniontown. Sam Elmore was a victim of Uniontown. People disappeared in Uniontown. Astoria was built from the money of Uniontown. It will always be, Uniontown. Many souls are lost in my locker, looking for a way out, but we will forever watch and protect our Uniontown. Where real men worked and died to raise the town from ashes. We protect our own very well, though many would like to be from Uniontown very few of us remain. But we are here, we are businessmen, drunks, fathers, and retirees, cannery men, longshoremen, theives and murderers.

Come watch my new “Old” Building go up. It will be on Flavel Street in Uniontown across what was Superette and now known as Mini Mart. Your name has no meaning to me, who was your Father? Did he work with us?

Pick up a fish gaff and join us, young Mike.

Be good to those and you’ll get your return, fear not the kindness of those who work, fear those who lead you down the path with no return, those who watch others work.

From the Locker

40 On Aug 4, 08:05 pm, George Hume wrote:

On Aug 4, 09:35 am, scott wrote:....
....”as “Davey Jones” points out, good people sometimes make bad decisions…..The county commissioners can still reverse the decision and reinstate the stipend.”

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!
Why dont you and “Davy Jones” just go get a room at the foot of Flavel and spare the rest of us your inanity.

42 On Aug 5, 05:15 pm, Bill wrote:

_If the below posts is an indication of “bashing” on “hate” forums than Scott should stay away from the big boys. Where is the “hate”? Scott is more hateful towards Hazen than these people were to him. He is ridiculous. It worries me that he, of all people, is trying his hardest to shut people up. Sorry folks, I like AVA and the work they do however, if this guy has anything to do with it I have to think twice before contributing again. Thanks for the example of “hate”, I think if it leads to truth it is something we can all “suffer” through.

By the way Scott, did you post any conjecture on any of the forums? Did you post any pictures? _

On Aug 2, 02:48 pm, THartill wrote:

I didn’t quote from their site. I mentioned what they were saying and gave a link.

Folks over at DSM are reporting that Josh Marquis has lost his bid for the President-Elect position in the National District Attorneys Association. I am fairly certain that he did lose because the election happened Sunday. If he won the news would be all over Lars/KAST/Daily Astorian/Oregonian etc etc…....

Just like I do with independentDA.com and Josh’s site.

Is any of that not true?

Lots of people/websites/bloggers have lied/told mis-truths (including me) in the past. (One will be exposed tonight)

If I am linking and quoting outright lies, then yes you have a beef.

19 On Aug 2, 02:56 pm, Oracle Of Moosmoos wrote:

On Aug 2, 12:07 pm, scott wrote:
It’s nothing but fun for me to go in and have a laugh at how ignorant people can be in an anonymous forum. ——————————————————————————————————
Just as it’s a kick for us poor local dummies to check out how clueless, pompous, pretentious and full of it the new arrivals can be. Especially those who use their own names.

20 On Aug 2, 03:51 pm, Carrie Bartoldus wrote:

“I’m being talked about and quite often lied about in your forum by a very few people who can barely spell their own name or put two words together, much less a full sentence. It’s nothing but fun for me to go in and have a laugh at how ignorant people can be in an anonymous forum. I’m sure many are very nice in person, but I don’t worry about offending certain people in the community or somehow tarnishing my reputation if there were such a thing – I’m simply doing what I think is right.”

Name the “lies” Scott and I will counter with the lies told on the DA’s site and the Daily Astorian and by you on the forums. I also am very, very confidant that many “lies” have been planted by Ms. Price posting anonymously to give less credibility to the TRUTH being brought forward. I notice silence just as much as you do and whenever we talk about posting anonymously Ms. Price and Mr. Marquis go SILENT. EACH and EVERY time a DSM person posts something that another person believes to be incorrect it is challenged and links are given or the info has been discarded. It is a place for people to post their anecdotes regarding living in Clatsop County. Some of it PROVABLE now, some of it in the VERY near future and some of it never, so take it or leave it. Over and over again DSM and RUST have leaked stories hours and days before the Daily Astorian spins their version.

As to correcting people’s spelling and grammar, piss off. That’s plain RUDE. Listen for the message in what someone says. If you CARE about the person then you overlook whether they say asta la vee-sta instead of hasta que satisfacemos otra vez!

You call these sites “hate” sites, why? They love their commissioners. They haven’t written anything negative about Sam Patrick, but you EASILY search their archives in their search engines to see if they have. YOU call it a “hate” forum because a certain faction of posters don’t like what the DA has done. YOU have posted crap about a commissioner on your site. Is YOUR site a HATE site?

In my opinion your post makes YOU a liar, spinning the truth that VERY FEW people write there and they can barely spell their names much less string a sentence together. That YOU would try to silence people and rundown a forum for people to express how they feel and, challenge one another to produce the truth, is incredible for someone who screams about LNG silencing voices. I say this forthrightly and frankly, PISS OFF.

21 On Aug 2, 04:30 pm, Carrie Bartoldus wrote:

I do want to post the observation that Scott is so totally focused on his viewpoint that he misses how much people posting at the sites he hates love the Columbia River. They post their fondness for specific businesses as well as the geographical surroundings throughout the county and how to keep the county as pristine as possible while offering landowners freedom to profit from their land. They love their schools and have ideas of where the college should and shouldn’t be for specific reasons. When do “opinions” become lies? When YOU don’t agree with them?

JUST because ONE board on the DSM site and a board on Rust are open for posts with concerns regarding the DA, which Scott doesn’t approve of, does NOT make those forums HATE forums. It is a LIE to label them as such. The forum provided by the New Northwest Broadcasters (aka KAST forum) is full of posts hating all commissioners, mayors, council people, as well as senators, others in congress, the president, cabinet members, CEOs, LNG companies, etc … Why not label that forum a HATE forum, Scott?

22 On Aug 2, 04:54 pm, Oracle Of Moosmoos wrote:

Did this dude Scott just get his clocked cleaned or what? LOL!!!

23 On Aug 2, 04:59 pm, Just My Opinion wrote:

There is enough “hate” to go around. Please do not resort to name calling and other nastiness. It detracts from your opinion and others’ opinions. We can discuss issues without being mean to each other. If you must, take it outside!

24 On Aug 2, 05:30 pm, scott wrote:

Thanks to all who posted after me for demonstrating the kind of response that is given in the hate forums – except of course it is far, far nastier in there. Anonymous attacks based on little but conjecture and hearsay. And what they’ve said about Josh and Cindy is so much worse.

44 On Aug 6, 01:43 pm, Bill wrote:

Sure, you just label it “hate” when someone does it to you. When you do it, it isn’t hate. How convenient. It isn’t hate when you post pictures or make fun of a commissioner but when others do it to someone you like, its hate. When TH posts something on his site, with his money, as an ordinary citizen, he is deliberately “twisting” information. When the Daily Astorian publishes twisted and biased news or the DA does so on his site, and are caught with their collective pants down, they just make mistakes.

Sure, we all see it. I just think we don’t see it through your rose colored glasses.

Do I have to include my pedigree, my family tree, my phone number and address to become “real” enough for you? See, I don’t want to do that. Too many whackos looking to vandalize homes reading these blogs, you know.