1 On Oct 21, 10:16 am, Cary wrote:

This Astoria football team is really fun to watch. We are all hoping to see them in the championship. If you are looking for some good clean fun, go watch a game, you wont be disapointed.

I think that Jordan Poyers sophomore class is the first class that has come through the Astoria youth football program. What a huge differance this makes. These kids have been playing tackle football now since they were in 3rd grade. There is tremendous talent coming up in the next few years. Some of these teams coming up haven’t hardly lost a game. Should be lots of fun.

3 On Oct 22, 06:49 am, Patrick McGee wrote:

To “D”,

The only thing that may keep us from getting a “New College” will be the ethics used by Dr. Hamman and his board and certain “Nabobs” in attempting to do so.

Football Field?

Would you rather see just a new football field for, just Astoria, or a state of the art “Sports Complex” for all the County Schools and applicable amateur programs for all of us to use?

3 to 5 million dollars “Seed Money” from the sale of Warren Field would be a great start wouldn’t it?

5 On Oct 22, 10:17 am, Patrick McGee wrote:

Wonder if Hamman will get the boot if this doesn’t fly like Wubben and the Safeway Property Fiasco?

This whole thing, as I’ve said, maybe, too many times, appears to be simply a “Bait And Switch” tactic and I am more convinved of it everyday.

And you’re actually going to vote for it?

Too many questions out there.

An exact final location?

The existing campus facility?

A final resolution to the Warren Field replacement facility?

All left wide open, in the end , to the discretion of The Board, The Director and those Off-Radar Nabobs” playing around behind the scenes.

Hell no! and remember I was one of those fully behind the college going at Warren Field because it’s the right place to go and still believe so but, then, out curiosity, I read the actual wording of the referendum.

What a scam to perpetrated on us little “Lemmings” out here.

7 On Oct 23, 06:34 pm, d wrote:

Yup.

From listening to everyone it certainly sounds like the football field will overshadow the college. Tying the college so something as inconsequential as football (it’s a sport, I’m a fan but it’s a sport) is simply unbelievable. If you are worried about the fate of the college because of football field, then there’s not much I can say.

I understand that the college administration may not be the greatest (what administration is?) but let’s remember that this new college will be there long after the current administration is gone. The current campus can not be reborn. It’s been studied ad-nauseum. The buildings ARE officially a condemned high school. It can a not be retrofitted short of tearing down the buildings.

Selling the warren field to make money to build a sport complex. Please. Let’s think a little more than when the next football game is.

9 On Oct 24, 02:31 pm, Cary wrote:

While many of us who grew up here in Astoria have a special attachment to John Warren Field, it is not the reason why we wouldnt want a new college put there.

I am very much pro-education and would love to see a new college and AHS have a brand new sports complex. Personally, I think its silly to have a stadium that the community uses a only a handful of times a year in such a prime location. What we dont all agree on, is if the John Warren site is the best place for a new college. To me it just seems too small and I dont feel it would serve the entire County well because it isnt centrally located. I would rather have a much larger, open campus with lots of room to expand. Is the college being short sighted in regards to future expansion?? I think so. With a brand new facility, I think it could attract many more students from here and everywhere else. Wouldnt it be great if local kids actually wanted to stay here and go to school??

In my opinion, the Hospital or some other related business will need Gyro field at some point and the school district should plan on selling it. Maybe the college should work with the Hospital to expand it nursing program on that site. The college would be better suited in a more centralized location in Warrenton, with shuttle buses available from Astoria and Seaside.

I may eat my words, but I dont think the good folks in South County are gonna go for this one. I would bet the next time we vote on this, it will be site specific, and answer some of our questions. Not a just a blind authorization to spend TWENTY FOUR MILLION DOLLARS!!

11 On Oct 25, 06:28 am, Patrick McGee wrote:

With the advent of “Distance Learning” programs and co-op degree programs with larger state universities, I don’t see expansion as a major issue.

What I see to bring the college closer to all in Clatsop County are satellite campuses where access to learning opportunities are available to all.

Still, this round has left us with an open-ended scheme to benefit nobody but Hamman, The board and off-radar string manipulators egos

13 On Oct 25, 06:06 pm, Patrick McGee wrote:

If you’ll notice Walter and in few cases, all commercial construction, actually most all construction, on “Astoria Flats” post-fire fill areas has and will require construction on pilings period so that excuse is, in my view, “Bunk” and no disrespect to you and your view.

Sonny Park’s new building is on pilings.

Everything around there’s on pilings.

Likely anything new will be on pilings.

I know you work for the hospital but, where did you get your info?

15 On Oct 25, 09:02 pm, THartill wrote:

I think Walter is pretty much correct from what I’ve heard. I hear that the hospital wants to move, and doesn’t want to use Warren field, because it IS in a Tsunami zone. If there was one, the most important building would be the hospital and it would be totally useless if one occurred, as would the Seaside one as well.

I would think if one were to look at it from this angle, the perfect place would be the current WOW property.

17 On Oct 26, 07:17 am, Patrick McGee wrote:

Actually the Hospital, it it were to move, at WOW property would be a good idea.

You’re going to get a war trying to move CMH to High School Hill I believe.

First things first though, The College Bond Issue.

I still will not sign-off on a “Pig-In-A-Poke”, “Open Ended”, “Bait And Switch” scheme for $24 Million Dollars of Our Money.

19 On Oct 26, 08:47 pm, d wrote:

I’ve been thinking about the need for a more central location.

Are we talking geographically or by population?

Because while i agree putting the college in the middle would make it physically for an evenly distributed population to go the college, I don’t believe the general populace is the group going to the college. It is a much younger group that doesn’t appear to as evenly distributed.
They are for the most part in the “big” city, hence the push to keep the college in Astoria. All this talk about satellite campuses is great as long you discount the people will have to drive. If you’re a real student, you want all the classes kept together. If you are just a continuing education student (ie adult learner) taking one classes then satellite sites are great but I don’t think the focus is on adult learners. It is on post-high school group.

Anyway, I need facts to prove or disprorve this :)

21 On Oct 27, 08:44 am, Walter Richards wrote:

I think “Distance Learning” could save the college millions of dollars worth of construction of a new campus. There’s a lot of classes that don’t need classrooms, thanks to technology.

For instance, there’s no reason most (if not all) math classes couldn’t be internet based, or self-study. You study at your own pace, having to meet a minimum timeline of course, and come in when you need to take a test. A teacher with a single room can handle every math class that way, and still be available if a student had questions.

Instead of multiple rooms for various classes that would now be offered through “Distance Learning” ... either internet, or TV … the college could have one “study hall” for people that can’t access the class from home for whatever reason.

23 On Oct 27, 04:55 pm, Walter Richards wrote:

RE: Satellite campuses

Why should the college spend money on building a satellite campus? Take Seaside as an example. I’m sure there’s plenty of venues that would be glad to rent space, for the duration of a course, to the college. What does the convention center do during the “off” season? What about all the hotels with meeting rooms – how busy are they except during the summer – when the college doesn’t offer many courses, anyway?

25 On Oct 27, 09:05 pm, d wrote:

Folks, all this distance learning is still with a view to the adult learner. From what I have seen, that is not the main focus of the community college. With the costs of college going up, more and more high school grads are seeking the lower costs of community colleges. This talk of Distance learning and self-study is good for adults, but not for young adults. I think that the learning experince will be far inferior to real discussion held in real time (Of couse, Im a fan of email and discussion boards, but they lose much of the nuance of a real discussion).
For example, learning math by self-study and Im talking really learning it, requires a good teacher (there are good books but they do not suffice) that can render the material understandable. That’s what teachers do: They teach. This has yet to be captured well by any other media. Try to learn Analysis or proof theorems of calculus from a book? I wish you luck.

In other words, if you really want to do distance learning, then why have any community colleges, when you can just phone it in? No, the teacher-student interaction in college is extremely importantly, and if not available to poorer students around this county, then the community college will turn out inferior students.

In short, what I am trying to say is the community college is for the young adults. It is not really for you or me. And trying to make community college into something for the 65+ set (the baby boomer set) will do a dis-service to all those afterwayds.

27 On Oct 28, 08:07 am, Patrick McGee wrote:

Christ “d” I remember taking courses over Public TV when I was in college way back in the twentieth century.

Distance learning in my view and with few exceptions, maybe highly technical training, is perfectly logical for all, new student and adult.

For the young man or woman who has to work for a living as well as try to get a good education, it’s a perfect solution, again, in most cases.

29 On Oct 29, 08:14 am, Patrick McGee wrote:

Alright “d” don’t bail on this now.

Would you rather see “The College” go “Four Year”

Well, you know of course “The College” is co-oping with both UofO and OSU are they not?

I think they also have some link to Linfield College as well.

Your current credits can also transfer to most higher ed. facilities can they not?

Personally, my choice would be to give Calpine the final boot and study that site for a 95 acre phased facility on “The Skipanon” but I still say the best location is Warren Field, specifically and not some “High School Drive-In Logic” of “Trust me I promise I’ll marry you if anything bad happens”.

Tsunami danger you say?

Face reality, the entire Northwest Coast is classed by all prominent Geologists as a “Ticking, Geologic Time Bomb” and putting a college or hospital, for that matter, on one side of a hill or another is really a moot point in my view.

It’s not a matter of “If” an “Apocolyptic Event” will hit us but “When” and the time of the next cycle is drawing near they say, but it’s the trade-off for having the privilege of living here as opposed to tornadoes, hurricanes and the like other places.