2 On Jul 9, 07:58 pm, Lee wrote:

Tryan-

When I posted this, my 2 or 3 paragraph argument didn’t post- only the introduction.

Patrick-

What if the girl’s parent or parents are nutters?

Sometimes the girl is actually more qualified to make a decision like this because she can foresee what her parents actions will be.

What if her parent decides to keep the child and go after the “father” for child support or charge him with statatory rape?

Some people aren’t aware that carrying a pregnancy to term is harder on a child’s body than having the unplanned pregnancy safely terminated.

4 On Jul 10, 07:03 am, Glenn wrote:

Parental notification is common sense for any minor that has minor or major surgery.

Heck, you can’t even get your ears pierced without parental consent.

Can’t have breast augmentation.

Can’t get your drivers permit either.

Pretty much a no brainer to me.

Of course, I don’t much like the idea of killing innocent children either.

6 On Jul 10, 09:37 pm, Carrie Bartoldus wrote:

I believe that many of us hold near and dear religious convictions that govern our lives.

On one side of it many of us see abortion as the murder of “innocent children” yet these same children, if born and die two hours later w/o being baptized, would not be allowed to enter “full” heaven, according to many churches’ doctrines.

Many religious doctrines that state that abortion is a sin don’t grant full equality of spirituality to women or some even discriminate racially, even in this day and age.

Luckily, our laws are not based on one religion’s views of what is right or wrong but on what is, supposedly, most just for the most people.

There is so much more to this topic then flat out “parental consent” yea or nay. In my opinion we force our children into artificial atmospheres and expect them to behave in completely contradictory ways, we then take away the mechanisms for them to deal with the atmospheres we force them into and act surprised in the results that are produced.

Teach the child to realize their potential. Allow them to plot/chart their life course at the earliest opportunity. Teach them to happen to life not wait for life to happen to them. Look around the world and see that in everywhere else college starts at 16, university starts at 18 years of age with college being either further academia or trade schools. Stop forcing these young adults into the artificial babysitting atmosphere of trouble waiting to happen that high school for the most part is, except for those involved with some sort of upward bound program, etc.

Does this prevent abortions, preclude parental consent? What it does is create an environment conducive to progressively promoting active participation by the child and then the teen and then the young adult in their lives, so they know they are building their future now, not some elusive or ethereal time but progressively at all times.

Instead of being something that is done out of boredom or as a means of finding self worth, sex is put into a proper context of overall life. More likelihood of it being given the due regard it deserves and less likely that it ends in tragic mistakes being made.

8 On Jul 11, 07:32 am, Glenn wrote:

Hi Carrie,

My reason(s) for being against abortion are not religious based. They are life based in that every life has a right to live.

My premise is an unborn child is a life and therefore is murder for someone to end it.

I feel the same way about the death penalty.

I agree with Walter. Abortion and the death penalty fuel the decline of family vaues. It demoralizes life. It teaches the wrong message that it is ok to kill.

Some of you are against LNG. I’m against killing people. Unborn or born.

10 On Jul 11, 12:39 pm, Tryan Hartill wrote:

Hmm….Walter agrees with Walter?
Is someone posting under an alias?

12 On Jul 11, 02:12 pm, Walter Richards wrote:

Tryan … whenever I try to use the < i > to quote someone (without the spaces, I mean), it doesn’t work. Dunno why.

Lee … Actually, I think you’ll find that impoverished countries are generally the ones with the highest birth rates. Conversely, “rich” countries – which can afford to spend money on “charity” programs – have lower birth rates.

And large families aren’t just for farming. They’re good for anyone who believes more in family responsibility than in endentured servitude to gov’t.

14 On Jul 11, 04:36 pm, Lee wrote:

The use of family values as a political term became widespread after a 1992 speech by Vice President Dan Quayle that attributed the Los Angeles riots to a breakdown of family values. Quayle specifically blamed the violence in L.A. as stemming from a decay of moral values and family structure in American society.
———Rodney King -”Can’t we just get along?”

Remember when the dirty LA cops beat up Rodney King, someone videotaped it and it was played on TV? “Family Values” was the far reichs response. VP Quayle said characters like Candice Bergens “Murphy Brown” was the reason people were rioting in LA. (Not the beating of Rodney King?)

The reich doesn’t like riots they don’t incite, I guess

(I posted this to another thread accidently-sorry)

16 On Jul 12, 06:11 am, Walter Richards wrote:

Lee – I’m not against charity. I’m against GOV’T “charity” programs.

The difference is that charity is voluntary, while GOV’T “charity” is forced at (literally) gun-point. If I were to use the same methods as gov’t to raise funds for a charity I believed in, I would be a criminal no matter how worthy the cause. At the least, I would be charged with armed robbery and/or extortion.

And I was using terms like “family values” and “work ethics” since the early 1980’s, in high school. Basically, “family values” has to do with the FAMILY (rather than gov’t) teaching values, morals, ethics, and responsibilities.

18 On Jul 12, 07:56 am, Walter Richards wrote:

Here’s something to think about … medical malpractice relating to abortion by a minor.

If the law says the parents don’t have to be notified about a minor’s abortion … would they have to be notified about a medical problem caused by that abortion? Would the parents even have legal standing, if a lawsuit was necessary?